Are you an atheist? (19 Viewers)

[ConnorGiles]

I swear there was another one, that you can shoot a welshman in a certain city with a longbow after dawn or something - and that still exists !

 

[Frothingslosh]

I swear there was another one, that you can shoot a welshman in a certain city with a longbow after dawn or something - and that still exists !

I can believe it - you Brits took your grudges seriously! Even over here 'welshing' on a bet is still a thing.

 

[ConnorGiles]

I can believe it - you Brits took your grudges seriously! Even over here 'welshing' on a bet is still a thing.

Oh yes, We have been known to hold a grudge or two!

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I swear there was another one, that you can shoot a welshman in a certain city with a longbow after dawn or something - and that still exists !

Chester - sadly although never repealed has been superceded apparently.

 

[ConnorGiles]

I like your use of the word sadly - What was it superseded by

 

[Bladerunner]

Any follower of an Abrahamic religion in the Western world who claims they don't cherry-pick is lying. All three religions' holy books contain entirely too many things considered barbaric and illegal in today's world for someone to follow every rule without more or less immediately going to prison for the rest of their lives.

And I would bet that you are sooooooooooooo PURE that you wear a white robe everyday.


Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

I was reading some of the articles I posted on the "Je Suis Charlie" Thread, and some of the things that are considered a sin is hilarious - But the most relevant one I posted their was my favourite "Islam condemns Terrorists" - It clearly states that religion should not be forced unto anyone as it is a choice, yet they slaughter anyone who doesn't accept their religion.

Another Interesting things the Holy Books incite is that the worth of a woman is half of that of a man, (have a check) even the bible quotes this. I just think it shows how much things have changed since then. Womens rights, Equality between genders. This would be considered a sin in those times.

I guess it is a lot like the laws in our countries that were never abolished. (Give them a search, worth a giggle )

Hi Connor: I would suggest that you read the Koran & the Hadif . Keep in mind that the radical Islamist uses both to his purpose. There also is another book that has apparently disappeared from the internet. I will find it. It needs to be read as well.

Keep in mind that all of us are at war with Radical Islam.

http://www.bigissueground.com/atheistground/asadi-koranandhadith.shtml
Here is a version of it and I hope it is not to far right to be of any use> lol

Blade

 

[Frothingslosh]

And I would bet that you are sooooooooooooo PURE that you wear a white robe everyday.


Blade

Only someone as venal as you could get that from my post.

 

[ConnorGiles]

Hi Connor: I would suggest that you read the Koran & the Hadif . Keep in mind that the radical Islamist uses both to his purpose. There also is another book that has apparently disappeared from the internet. I will find it. It needs to be read as well.

Keep in mind that all of us are at war with Radical Islam.

http://www.bigissueground.com/atheistground/asadi-koranandhadith.shtml
Here is a version of it and I hope it is not to far right to be of any use> lol

Blade

What I have also read somewhere (that escapes me) - Is that a lot of the Koran is actually mis-interpreted, which could be where the cherry picking comes from.

I'm sure you yourself cherry pick out of the bible, and have probably committed more sins than you even know. (Search up the ridiculous sins in the bible - Don't trim that beard Blade!)

But yet again try not to condemn one faith when even your own faith did the same some 1000 - 800 years ago. You may say we have developed since then but due to what is happening in today's climate, It looks very doubtful.

What do you think would have happened if religion was never created?

I'm interested to hear your opinions on this matter.

 

[Galaxiom]

What I have also read somewhere (that escapes me) - Is that a lot of the Koran is actually mis-interpreted, which could be where the cherry picking comes from.

All moderate students of any of the Abrahamic religions claim that the holy texts have been mistranslated or misinterpreted because they are appalling if read as they are actually written.

The fundamentalists are the only ones actually following the books to the letter. That is why they are called "fundamentalists". They follow the fundamental tenets of the books.

The moderates always accuse atheists of cherry picking because we point out the violence, bigotry and misogyny. They claim it needs to be "read as a whole" to gather the true meaning.

But they are ones saying it is the word of God yet ignoring great swathes of it as suits them.

 

[spikepl]

An infamous cherry-picking summary is the Letter to Dr.Laura, http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp :

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp#PZtwMxovj0BjpWe5.99

 

[ConnorGiles]

That made me laugh Spikepl!

And that is only a few of the sins, there are around 613 commandments I believe I read somewhere.

These commandments also consist of not wearing any mixed fabric, or trimming beards.

 

[ConnorGiles]

All moderate students of any of the Abrahamic religions claim that the holy texts have been mistranslated or misinterpreted because they are appalling if read as they are actually written.

The fundamentalists are the only ones actually following the books to the letter. That is why they are called "fundamentalists". They follow the fundamental tenets of the books.

The moderates always accuse atheists of cherry picking because we point out the violence, bigotry and misogyny. They claim it needs to be "read as a whole" to gather the true meaning.

But they are ones saying it is the word of God yet ignoring great swathes of it as suits them.

It is apparent as Spikepl's post tells you some of the commandments are quite absurd.

 

[Bladerunner]

All moderate students of any of the Abrahamic religions claim that the holy texts have been mistranslated or misinterpreted because they are appalling if read as they are actually written.

The fundamentalists are the only ones actually following the books to the letter. That is why they are called "fundamentalists". They follow the fundamental tenets of the books.

The moderates always accuse atheists of cherry picking because we point out the violence, bigotry and misogyny. They claim it needs to be "read as a whole" to gather the true meaning.

But they are ones saying it is the word of God yet ignoring great swathes of it as suits them.

Hi Galaxiom: not really sure what you were trying to say but 'I believe' you may have gotten it wrong. There is a first for everyone,,,,, lol

fun·da·men·tal·ism
a form of a religion, especially Islam or Protestant Christianity, that upholds belief in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture.

1. • strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline.
     plural noun: fundamentalisms
     "free-market fundamentalism"
     
     
   In other words the fundamentalist are for the dogma, rest in hell, etc. That is why the Radical Islamic Terrorist are so bad. They use the bible strictly as it is written in the OLD Testament believing in it as an 'inerrant' (without error) book
   
   
   
   

On the other hand, most protestants lean more to the moderate Evangelicalism
Evangelicalism, or Evangelical Protestantism, [a] is a worldwide, transdenominational movement within Protestantism, maintaining that the essence of the gospel consists in the doctrine of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ's atonement.

In other words your sins were paid for by his death on the cross and all he ask is that you believe in him. The essence of his speech is "Love". All you have to do is make a simple choice and follow his teachings. Rem, the ten commandments were issued to God's people. They have been applied over the ages and as far as I am concerned are not really bad thing to install in a person on young age. If they live by them, they are going to be a good person. Rem, there is a big difference in Man's laws and Biblical law that mostly applied to the OLD Testament and the children of Israel.

Fundamentalist do not believe Jesus Christ is a prophet nor is he the son of God. While in fact the New Testament actually teaches us of the Trinity: 'Father Son and Holy Ghost' are all the same. Again it is your choice and nobody else has to know. I am just one of those that does not care who knows I BELIEVE!

Your Choice!

Have a great day my friend

Blade

 

[ConnorGiles]

Hi Galaxiom: not really sure what you were trying to say but 'I believe' you may have gotten it wrong. There is a first for everyone,,,,, lol

fun·da·men·tal·ism
a form of a religion, especially Islam or Protestant Christianity, that upholds belief in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture.

1. • strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline.
     plural noun: fundamentalisms
     "free-market fundamentalism"
     
     
   In other words the fundamentalist are for the dogma, rest in hell, etc. That is why the Radical Islamic Terrorist are so bad. They use the bible strictly as it is written in the OLD Testament believing in it as an 'inerrant' (without error) book
   
   
   
   

On the other hand, most protestants lean more to the moderate Evangelicalism
Evangelicalism, or Evangelical Protestantism, [a] is a worldwide, transdenominational movement within Protestantism, maintaining that the essence of the gospel consists in the doctrine of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ's atonement.

In other words your sins were paid for by his death on the cross and all he ask is that you believe in him. The essence of his speech is "Love". All you have to do is make a simple choice and follow his teachings. Rem, the ten commandments were issued to God's people. They have been applied over the ages and as far as I am concerned are not really bad thing to install in a person on young age. If they live by them, they are going to be a good person. Rem, there is a big difference in Man's laws and Biblical law that mostly applied to the OLD Testament and the children of Israel.

Fundamentalist do not believe Jesus Christ is a prophet nor is he the son of God. While in fact the New Testament actually teaches us of the Trinity: 'Father Son and Holy Ghost' are all the same. Again it is your choice and nobody else has to know. I am just one of those that does not care who knows I BELIEVE!

Your Choice!

Have a great day my friend

Blade

Every Religion has its Fundamentalists, Even Pastafarians.

Fundamentalists are described as Galaxiom said they were, They believe every word within the holy book is true. Not just all of the bad things.

Where are you obtaining this information Blade? (The part after the Oxford Dictionary quote)

Because I do believe your facts are a little off point my friend.

 

[RobXSD]

I selected "100% an atheist" because if God did appear before me I would begin doubting my sanity before believing in "his" existence, but thats not to say I possibly would do a "just in case" prayer if really necessary.

 

[Bladerunner]

Every Religion has its Fundamentalists, Even Pastafarians.

Fundamentalists are described as Galaxiom said they were, They believe every word within the holy book is true. Not just all of the bad things.

Where are you obtaining this information Blade? (The part after the Oxford Dictionary quote)

Because I do believe your facts are a little off point my friend.

ConnorGiles simply look it up in Wikopedia.:

 

[Bladerunner]

All moderate students of any of the Abrahamic religions claim that the holy texts have been mistranslated or misinterpreted because they are appalling if read as they are actually written.

The fundamentalists are the only ones actually following the books to the letter. That is why they are called "fundamentalists". They follow the fundamental tenets of the books.

The moderates always accuse atheists of cherry picking because we point out the violence, bigotry and misogyny. They claim it needs to be "read as a whole" to gather the true meaning.

But they are ones saying it is the word of God yet ignoring great swathes of it as suits them.

Galaxiom, it seem I have misread this post, You did get it right in that the Fundalmentalist do go by the very literal word of the ENTIRE bible. They do not differentiate the OLD from the NEW Testatment. And there are those that still believe (example; that you have to be Baptized in order to reach Heaven , I think this is the Catholic Church Doctrine) Sorry old buddy again you did get it right?

Blade

 

[ConnorGiles]

ConnorGiles simply look it up in Wikopedia.:

I truly hope you aren't using Wikipedia as your fact source, Please know it can be changed by anyone, even yourself.

And I'm glad I realised you to your mistake towards Galaxiom There isn't a first time for everything! haha

 

[BlueIshDan]

I truly hope you aren't using Wikipedia as your fact source, Please know it can be changed by anyone, even yourself.

And I'm glad I realised you to your mistake towards Galaxiom There isn't a first time for everything! haha

True, a student at my high school changed the school's anthem on their page to the Cold 45 2 Zig Zag song hahahaha.

Was like that for years so when parents researched or anyone researched the school they seen that they were a bunch of pot heads!