Are you an atheist? (2 Viewers)

[ConnorGiles]

Hundreds,,,,back then there were not hundreds of people that were literate. Most of the time it was a scribe (single) that was charged with the job of copying word for word the bible or other manuscripts. They did a good job. The link I gave you about
the witness was just that. I have not researched it and had only come upon it when I link it to the post. However, is not the researcher credible. Evidently not---al least in you minds eye.

Blade

He may have been credible but with his background of religion it would have to be one of your miracles to make sure his opinion wasn't swayed into his "research".

 

[ConnorGiles]

The Atheist here do not want to know nor do they want to hear any info that just might punch holes in their atheism. My Mistake........... The following is two of those historical accounts........

Think you have that the wrong way around bud.

We are open to well thought hypothesis, but you do tend to ramble the same stuff over and over.

again, one more time - because more than one person wrote about him, doesn't in any way show evidence as much as any other book does.

I shall just wait until the day of "Judgement".

See ya down there bud.

 

[Galaxiom]

The following is two of those historical accounts........

Julian the Apostate, Emperor of Rome

Born c 331 AD, (about 300 years after the crucifixion).

Babylonian Talmud (late first or second century AD)

Is the pattern becoming clearer?

So we have indirect confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus and of his working of public miracles-

No. We have hearsay reported by people who lived several generations after the claimed events. There are no contemporary accounts of Christ whatsoever.

The first mention of Christ is in "The Antiquities of the Jews" by Flavius Josephus in about 94 AD where he mentions the object of the Christians' worship. Josephus was born 37 AD so was obviously not a witness to any of it.

He writes in Greek. The New Testament (also in Greek) appears later still. The New Testament is nothing more than an early attempt to back up the Christian myth.

Lets just close this thread down, since it is a repeat of itself.......there is no use to continue.

You are conceding your position is lost then?

 

[Bladerunner]

He may have been credible but with his background of religion it would have to be one of your miracles to make sure his opinion wasn't swayed into his "research".

I guess all those scientist do not have a background in 'science' OOPS sorry buddy but you are talking about a double standard. Kind of like global warming...a double standard for the biggest scam ever.

Did you know that scientist cannot even figure out if there was a Big Bang or the Universe has just been here forever. Go figure....At least in the Bible what was written is the same today and has not changed since the beginning. I know you would like it to and you can mince words and get it mean something else like the Genesis discussion when read word for word it is as accurate today as it was yesterday.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

He may have been credible but with his background of religion it would have to be one of your miracles to make sure his opinion wasn't swayed into his "research".

Like the two other examples from non-believers in a previous post, all you had to do was read it. What do we have a fake from 2000 years ago? Rem, back then was not like today, you actually had to work to eat., there was no communications except by ASS and when it got to you more than likely it was already 6 months to 1 year old..

Blade

 

[ConnorGiles]

I guess all those scientist do not have a background in 'science' OOPS sorry buddy but you are talking about a double standard. Kind of like global warming...a double standard for the biggest scam ever.

Scientists don't claim that Science is a Deity and worship it. I thought Global warming has been observed on a major scale (Poor Polar Bears )

I think you are trying to put your point of view across as a fact.

Did you know that scientist cannot even figure out if there was a Big Bang or the Universe has just been here forever. Go figure....At least in the Bible what was written is the same today and has not changed since the beginning. I know you would like it to and you can mince words and get it mean something else like the Genesis discussion when read word for word it is as accurate today as it was yesterday.

Blade

Another one of your opinions I see, The bible has been changed so much that it had to be re-written in the new testament. It has been seen on numerous occasions that religious people have changed their views around what evidence has been found to support a scientific theory.

If it hadn't been changed I'm pretty sure the death rate now would be dramatically higher.

By the way, We can never know how the universe started - Due to the fact they are theories, Rather than believing someone big and magical poof'd us into existence.

By the way if Adam and Eve were the only 2. In your beliefs are we all related in some way?

 

[ConnorGiles]

Like the two other examples from non-believers in a previous post, all you had to do was read it. What do we have a fake from 2000 years ago? Rem, back then was not like today, you actually had to work to eat., there was no communications except by ASS and when it got to you more than likely it was already 6 months to 1 year old..

Blade

And what would stop them from lying? I was lead to believe that mistrust and lies were more than common in those days.

I mean the Bible (or any other religious book) is full of them

 

[Bladerunner]

Think you have that the wrong way around bud.

We are open to well thought hypothesis, but you do tend to ramble the same stuff over and over.

again, one more time - because more than one person wrote about him, doesn't in any way show evidence as much as any other book does.

I shall just wait until the day of "Judgement".

See ya down there bud.

See you do not know the Bible and I bet you can re-site word for word the Atheist books like "The God Delusion". Yes, I just got through reading it and could punch holes in it from beginning to the end. However, it is of no use. You are deciding your fate as we speak.

You and I will be long dead before the day of Judgement gets here. If we started today with the tribulations, (7 years of hell on earth), judgement day would still be 1000 years plus into the future. As an atheist ( a non-believer) you will not survive the tribulations unless you happen to fall in a fox hole (i.e. they say there are no atheist in a fox hole). As a believer, I will not be here thru the tribulations even if it did start today.

Having said that, tribulations are not here yet, and since the Israel Prime Minister won re-election the beginning of tribulations will not be here for the next few years.

So, my friend , we have time to live our lives and die as others have done for thousands of years.

Blade

 

[ConnorGiles]

See you do not know the Bible and I bet you can re-site word for word the Atheist books like "The God Delusion". Yes, I just got through reading it and could punch holes in it from beginning to the end. However, it is of no use. You are deciding your fate as we speak.

You and I will be long dead before the day of Judgement gets here. If we started today with the tribulations, (7 years of hell on earth), judgement day would still be 1000 years plus into the future. As an atheist ( a non-believer) you will not survive the tribulations unless you happen to fall in a fox hole (i.e. they say there are no atheist in a fox hole). As a believer, I will not be here thru the tribulations even if it did start today.

Having said that, tribulations are not here yet, and since the Israel Prime Minister won re-election the beginning of tribulations will not be here for the next few years.

So, my friend , we have time to live our lives and die as others have done for thousands of years.

Blade

That is where you are wrong again! I couldn't re-site any book word for word as my memory is way to bad to even try!

Pretty sure Mayans tried to predict judgement day once.

Bet they feel silly now!

I wonder how you will feel or believers like you in the future when your "Judgement Day" comes and nothing happens.

Who knows maybe the Mayans got it right! 3 years on I feel no different, just a little older!

 

[Bladerunner]

Born c 331 AD, (about 300 years after the crucifixion).
Is the pattern becoming clearer?
No. We have hearsay reported by people who lived several generations after the claimed events. There are no contemporary accounts of Christ whatsoever.
The first mention of Christ is in "The Antiquities of the Jews" by Flavius Josephus in about 94 AD where he mentions the object of the Christians' worship. Josephus was born 37 AD so was obviously not a witness to any of it.He writes in Greek. The New Testament (also in Greek) appears later still. The New Testament is nothing more than an early attempt to back up the Christian myth.

At least your are reading up on it?

You are conceding your position is lost then?[/

No, but it is a lost cause from the start for no matter what I say or produce it (is/will be) false or not good enough.



Have a good day my friend.

Blade

 

[Frothingslosh]

Pretty sure Mayans tried to predict judgement day once.

Bet they feel silly now!

I wonder how you will feel or believers like you in the future when your "Judgement Day" comes and nothing happens.

Who knows maybe the Mayans got it right! 3 years on I feel no different, just a little older!

Actually, that's a complete misconception. 12/21/12 was simply the end of the 13th b'ak'tun on the Mayan Long Count calendar and the start of the 14th. (That's 12.~ and 13.~ on the calendar, much like 2015 is the 21st Century.) While the Mayans believed that the current world began in the previous 13th b'ak'tun, they really thought of changes of b'ak'tun as indications of change and an excuse to celebrate, much like we did in 2000 (even though the 21st Century actually started 1/1/2001). They did NOT predict the end of the world on 12/21/12, for the simple reason that a b'ak'tun was just under 400 years, and even they didn't think the world would end every four centuries. At most, they would have expected 'great change'.

 

[ConnorGiles]

No, but it is a lost cause from the start for no matter what I say or produce it (is/will be) false or not good enough.

Not at all, Just give me some cold hard facts and proof that any god exists.

 

[ConnorGiles]

Actually, that's a complete misconception. 12/21/12 was simply the end of the 13th b'ak'tun on the Mayan Long Count calendar and the start of the 14th. (That's 12.~ and 13.~ on the calendar, much like 2015 is the 21st Century.) While the Mayans believed that the current world began in the previous 13th b'ak'tun, they really thought of changes of b'ak'tun as indications of change and an excuse to celebrate, much like we did in 2000 (even though the 21st Century actually started 1/1/2001). They did NOT predict the end of the world on 12/21/12, for the simple reason that a b'ak'tun was just under 400 years, and even they didn't think the world would end every four centuries. At most, they would have expected 'great change'.

Hmm, Makes sense.

But to be honest I haven't seen a change either, Other than dress sense and the lack of ability to spell and the degrading of pronunciation. What happened to my generation!

 

[Bladerunner]

Scientists don't claim that Science is a Deity and worship it. I thought Global warming has been observed on a major scale (Poor Polar Bears )

I think you are trying to put your point of view across as a fact.?

Yes it is a fact but that is beside the point. Most Scientist think of themselves as a god within consistent with their post modern world views.

Another one of your opinions I see, The bible has been changed so much that it had to be re-written in the new testament. It has been seen on numerous occasions that religious people have changed their views around what evidence has been found to support a scientific theory.If it hadn't been changed I'm pretty sure the death rate now would be dramatically higher.

MAN has a brain and you see the problems associated with that. The Bible has been copied from the oldest manuscripts available and has been verified many times over that it is the same. Even the Dead Sea Scrolls prove this to be a truth. Well, these Scrolls to you are probably also false. This places my point in the previous post as true as well. Anything that backs up the Bible in your and other Atheist eyes is false. It is that simple.

By the way, We can never know how the universe started - Due to the fact they are theories, Rather than believing someone big and magical poof'd us into existence.

Yes we can, it is written and has been for a thousand years. However, it seem that what scientist write today trumps what was written yesterday. I guess the Big Bang Theory will go away and then we are to believe the Universe was "Just always here all along". Funny how written things of history are discarded and funnier yet is how people go about removing these ancient facts from history. BIG BANG will go the same way

By the way if Adam and Eve were the only 2. In your beliefs are we all related in some way?

Yes! Our DNA is the same,,,with a few minor exceptions....YES?????NO???? or at least that is what I saw when I was in the Medical field. You blood is the same as mine, your body overall looks the same as mine. Our Faces and Brains differentiate us. Even then, we are the same just different memories and a big nose, little nose, pointy nose, etc.(exceptions I spoke of).

Yes we all have Hebrew in us. Take Saudia Arabia, They have decended from Abraham Like us yet they are consider Arabs. We know through the written word of Bible who they descended from. Keep in mind that Islam was not written until 600AD long after the first five books was given to Moses. We, on the other hand, are what is know as the 'Gentiles' and is who Jesus is mainly talking to. The Israelites are God's people and will always be so however as in the past the Israelites have strayed away from God (Exodus) and are doing so now as foretold in the Bible. Because of this, the Islraelites will have to go through the 7 years of tribulatons. WHY? because of non-believers and there are those Isrealites (that do believe in God) but do not believe that they should go through Jesus Christ to get to Jehovah, his father, as laid out in the NT.

So much for my babling on.....it gives you plenty of fodder for the making...NO??????s



Have a good day my friend.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

That is where you are wrong again! I couldn't re-site any book word for word as my memory is way to bad to even try!

Pretty sure Mayans tried to predict judgement day once.

Bet they feel silly now!

I wonder how you will feel or believers like you in the future when your "Judgement Day" comes and nothing happens.

Who knows maybe the Mayans got it right! 3 years on I feel no different, just a little older!

As Dick7Access once said, 'If you are right, we will never know and if I am right, I will miss conversing with you.' (paraphrase only)

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

And what would stop them from lying? I was lead to believe that mistrust and lies were more than common in those days.

I mean the Bible (or any other religious book) is full of them

Is that what the Atheist books tell you or do you know it for a fact?

 

[ConnorGiles]

Yes it is a fact but that is beside the point. Most Scientist think of themselves as a god within consistent with their post modern world views.

Wait? you said it was a lie but now its a fact? are you feeling okay?

MAN has a brain and you see the problems associated with that. The Bible has been copied from the oldest manuscripts available and has been verified many times over that it is the same. Even the Dead Sea Scrolls prove this to be a truth. Well, these Scrolls to you are probably also false. This places my point in the previous post as true as well. Anything that backs up the Bible in your and other Atheist eyes is false. It is that simple.

Just because it was written a long time ago doesn't prove evidence. If someone write a book about someone farting fire 2000 years ago and the story was told throughout the ages, would you perceive it as truth due to its ability to be passed down generations?

Yes we can, it is written and has been for a thousand years. However, it seem that what scientist write today trumps what was written yesterday. I guess the Big Bang Theory will go away and then we are to believe the Universe was "Just always here all along". Funny how written things of history are discarded and funnier yet is how people go about removing these ancient facts from history. BIG BANG will go the same way

These Theories are theories for a reason Blade, as soon as new EVIDENCE arises to contradict it. it is then disproved and a new theory is arisen. It's amazing how we find physical evidence on the daily and even disprove other scientists theories but still the only evidence for your religion is here-say and parchments that may have been made up. The blind faith you require in your religion is what doesn't allow your opinion to sway.

That my friend is why this argument will never be won.

Yes! Our DNA is the same,,,with a few minor exceptions....YES?????NO???? or at least that is what I saw when I was in the Medical field. You blood is the same as mine, your body overall looks the same as mine. Our Faces and Brains differentiate us. Even then, we are the same just different memories and a big nose, little nose, pointy nose, etc.(exceptions I spoke of).

How does that account for different blood types? Isn't Incest a sin? a chickens body looks the same as the next albeit size differences, that doesn't mean they come from the same chicken does it? Where does racial differences come into the equation if we come from the same source? How about different religions?

Yes we all have Hebrew in us. Take Saudia Arabia, They have decended from Abraham Like us yet they are consider Arabs.

That would be because they live in Saudi Arabia.

We know through the written word of Bible who they descended from. Keep in mind that Islam was not written until 600AD long after the first five books was given to Moses. We, on the other hand, are what is know as the 'Gentiles' and is Jesus is talking to. The Israelites are God's people and will always be so however as in the past the Israelites have strayed away from God and are doing so now as foretold in the Bible. Because of this, the Islraelites will have to go through the 7 years of tribulatons. WHY? because of non-believers and there are those Isrealites (that do believe in God) but do not believe that they should go through Jesus Christ to get to Jehovah, his father as laid out in the NT.

More here-say, If god really did exist why would he allow them to blindly murder and pillage villages? Also I thought lack of faith was a sin and you must believe in the almighty to even have a chance of getting to the end-game.

So much for my babling on.....it gives you plenty of fodder for the making...NO??????s

Oh I'm just the tip of the Iceberg,

Galaxiom is going to have a lot more fun


Have a nice day Blade
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[Bladerunner]

That is where you are wrong again! I couldn't re-site any book word for word as my memory is way to bad to even try!

Pretty sure Mayans tried to predict judgement day once.

Bet they feel silly now!

I wonder how you will feel or believers like you in the future when your "Judgement Day" comes and nothing happens.

Who knows maybe the Mayans got it right! 3 years on I feel no different, just a little older!

Yes, there has been quite a few people sticking their necks out and getting it chopped off. lol.......(Reminds me of a chicken when you are ringing it neck). The Bible gives events that are going to happen before the first seal is opened. One of those happened for sure in 1954. The Israelites went back home. HOME?????? to the land that given them by GOD thousands of years before. The Bible as in Genesis does not give any time parameters as to when this will happen. However, after the first seal is opened, there will be a seven year period of 'pure Hell' on earth. After which there will be a war. Again it does not state how long the war will go on. In the end, Jesus will cast and chain Satan and his demons into the bottomless bit. Those who still do not believe will have died by this time, since the Bible states a 1000 years of peace across the earth with Jesus as ruler. After the 1000 years. The earth and seas will give up her dead and judgement day will commence. Again No time parameters here either. Those that pass the test will be raised into heaven and those that do not will be cast back to a firey Earth. Oh, Satan will be released from the bottomless pit at this time. He will therefore at this time become the non-believers God.

A little bit different than that of the Myians...don't you think?

Blade

 

[ConnorGiles]

Is that what the Atheist books tell you or do you know it for a fact?

Believe it or not, I don't go out looking for Atheist books.

So you believe in talking animals then?

How about Cannibalism? Slavery?

Only a few Blade

Take a gander at this link:

http://likes.com/weird/25-crazy-things-that-are-actually-in-the-bible

 

[Bladerunner]

Not at all, Just give me some cold hard facts and proof that any god exists.

I have and your mind refuses to see it.

Blade