Genital mutilation....

[Isaac]

The way you wrote that, it could be read that you suggest women to be exploitative, deceptive, and violent.

No, Doc, there is no possible way a rational person could have interpreted it that way.

It obviously means that the female is more concerned to protect herself from exploitation, deception, and violence.

Do you really live on a planet where when men and women engage in starting-up relationships, the female isn't a bit more concerned with her safety than the man is with his ????? C'mon. Your repeated attempts to quote what I've said and then cast it in the most either embarassing or ludicrious light possible is starting to get to me, patient as I try to be

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Do you really live on a planet where when men and women engage in starting-up relationships, the female isn't a bit more concerned with her safety than the man is with his ?????

Actually, yes - for different reasons. Or lets at least say "equally concerned but over different possibilities." Particularly since the MeToo movement, men worry about a woman getting second thoughts and playing the "sexual assault" card. You'll dismiss this, perhaps, but you should not. How many times has Maury or Jerry Springer had a woman claiming "He's my baby's daddy" only to find out it wasn't so? OK, maybe that is the ugly underbelly of society - but it happens. I believe in BOTH parties being responsible for what they do. But there are times when the level of honesty is asymmetric. There is also the issue of being a disease carrier, which knows no gender or gender preference.

Your repeated attempts to quote what I've said and then cast it in the most either embarassing or ludicrious light possible is starting to get to me, patient as I try to be

When I see an ambiguity, I work on it. But there actually is a common undercurrent. Look up the method of argument called "reductio ad absurdam" to understand my preferred style. I have been trying to show you that your religious background makes you predisposed to look at gays as though they are unequivocally diseased or immoral or criminal (depending on exactly which direction we were going at the time.) But they are not. They are PEOPLE almost exactly like you and me. They cry, they bleed, they struggle with life and its inherent negative fairness (i.e. bad stuff happens to folks ecumenically, randomly, without favorites.) You do not appear to be willing to at least recognize the beam in your eye while you excoriate someone for the mote in their eye. (See also Matt. 7:3)

We are all imperfect. Those imperfections go all over the place. It is incredibly important to acknowledge that. You are a religious man so you will know this to be true. Even a former Protestant like me remembers some things. What was one of the important lessons that Jesus pushed? Forgiveness. Check Matt 6:5-13 to see that forgiveness is worthy of being included in the Lord's Prayer, but also consider Matt 6:14-15, which is not in the prayer but gives the reason for Matt 6:12 (the forgiveness part) to be included in the prayer.

If you can't forgive people for being so utterly unkind as to be gay through no fault of their own, what does that say about you?

 

[Isaac]

Actually, yes - for different reasons. Or lets at least say "equally concerned but over different possibilities." Particularly since the MeToo movement, men worry about a woman getting second thoughts and playing the "sexual assault" card. You'll dismiss this, perhaps, but you should not. How many times has Maury or Jerry Springer had a woman claiming "He's my baby's daddy" only to find out it wasn't so? OK, maybe that is the ugly underbelly of society - but it happens. I believe in BOTH parties being responsible for what they do. But there are times when the level of honesty is asymmetric. There is also the issue of being a disease carrier, which knows no gender or gender preference.



When I see an ambiguity, I work on it. But there actually is a common undercurrent. Look up the method of argument called "reductio ad absurdam" to understand my preferred style. I have been trying to show you that your religious background makes you predisposed to look at gays as though they are unequivocally diseased or immoral or criminal (depending on exactly which direction we were going at the time.) But they are not. They are PEOPLE almost exactly like you and me. They cry, they bleed, they struggle with life and its inherent negative fairness (i.e. bad stuff happens to folks ecumenically, randomly, without favorites.) You do not appear to be willing to at least recognize the beam in your eye while you excoriate someone for the mote in their eye. (See also Matt. 7:3)

We are all imperfect. Those imperfections go all over the place. It is incredibly important to acknowledge that. You are a religious man so you will know this to be true. Even a former Protestant like me remembers some things. What was one of the important lessons that Jesus pushed? Forgiveness. Check Matt 6:5-13 to see that forgiveness is worthy of being included in the Lord's Prayer, but also consider Matt 6:14-15, which is not in the prayer but gives the reason for Matt 6:12 (the forgiveness part) to be included in the prayer.

If you can't forgive people for being so utterly unkind as to be gay through no fault of their own, what does that say about you?

I think you're over-thinking what I originally said.

All I am saying is that males and females have different levels of concern about their own personal safety when forming new, romantic type relationships.

Are you saying you DISAGREE with that?

Apparently, however I said it was either confusing or an opportunity to be twisted into something very strange, like I was saying females are violent or something? Which I was not?

 

[Isaac]

And then following that point, I was merely pointing out what I believe is the most fundamental, universal type of reason that can't-be-avoided, of WHY - the "WHY" - behind why it seems that gays can more easily and safely engage in sex-only trysts.

I'll be curious for your answer, if you are actually saying that where you live, straight females are equally open to engaging in sex-only trysts with strangers as males would be - If you say that I'll know you are not being honest, because I can't see anyone who has been in this world any length of time would say that.

Maybe we live on different planets. In my lifetime I have seen next-to-zero evidence of a place where females regularly engage in sex with males on a last-minute, stranger-to-stranger basis without the usual "dating" type atmosphere that precedes it - but maybe New Orleans is indeed a different planet, with females the likes of which I've never encountered before!

If you have actually witnessed that on a regular basis, I'm pretty sure I speak for all of male-kind when I say: Please share the name of the app. LOL...kidding, of course

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I'll make an admission here. When I was in college, the women were hornier than a Texas horned toad. After I graduated and entered my first real job, the women were frequently already married and only a few of them were aggressive. At the time, I couldn't do anything because I was distracted with my mother's declining health. After she passed, I rejoined the dating scene and based on what I saw at various events, there were still a lot of women hot to trot. However, by that time, (forgive me for how cruel this might sound) the buffet table had been thoroughly picked over. I met my wife (now of nearly 29 years) at a church-sponsored dance but she was the exception, the jewel, the prize. I'll admit it freely, I got lucky and after all this time we are still together. So my experience with the overly eager women was a few years back. Isaac, I can only tell you what I saw when I saw it. If things have changed since then, OK. But I emphatically suggest that attributing promiscuity as a gay thing is wrong. Straight folks are just as horny. They HAVE to be, because it is the same reproductive drives for both. The sex drive doesn't change, only the focus of interest changes. Therefore, you might wish to consider that some of what you are hearing is exaggeration brought on by folks who are trying to focus excessive attention. Just like Hitler focused undue attention on Jews, 7th Day Adventists, gypsies, and a few other ethnic or social groups. They were people - but they were turned into scapegoats.

 

[Isaac]

Therefore, you might wish to consider that some of what you are hearing is exaggeration brought on by folks who are trying to focus excessive attention

Nope - it's just plainly observing the existence of Craigslist and Backpage sections, apps, and my personal experience with the gay community (for reasons other than sexuality), wherein I realized there were large and well connected groups involving high volumes of people who got together regularly with strangers for no purpose other than sex, with little to no safety type verifications of any kind. Never quite seen anything like that in the straight world! But OK.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

There is again a flaw in that logic. Drawing conclusions from Craigslist and Backpage and other apps is actually putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. Your conclusions regarding ads are on shaky ground.

When Willie Sutton, a notorious bank robber, was interviewed a long time ago, the interviewer asked him, "Why did you rob so many banks?" His answer? "That's where they keep the money."

It is like asking "Why are there so many fish in the ocean?" "Because that is the only place they can live."

If you see a plethora of ads in certain places and try to draw some conclusions about why there are so many, the answer MIGHT be so simple as "because that is a place that will run the ads." If there are places that will not run such ads (and you KNOW that MANY sites will not), then you would expect to see a disproportionate number of ads in places that WILL accept them.

 

[Isaac]

I dunno, man - ask someone who pawed around the web extensively between 1998 and 2015, I think they will give you the same answer.....the gay sex scene is quite a bit different, in both willingness and volume, than the straight one. Everyone is probably having a lot of sex, but of course what I am pointing out is the preludes, the precautions, the protocol, etc. etc.

I'm 43, I've never come across a female who offers herself for sex to random strangers without money being involved, but maybe I just haven't been to the places you have

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I'm 75, and the generation when I grew up was the start of the "free love" ("hippie") generation. That may explain some of it.

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

You've got to see this blog composed of tweets from Matt Walsh. ..

Basically some counsellors, I'm not sure if they are even doctors, are pushing through the paperwork to allow people to get gender reassigning surgery on a whim. Exactly what Jordan Peterson has been saying for what, 2 or 3 years or more probably.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666496308150951954

 

[Isaac]

Follow.The.Money. !!!

Who in their right mind cannot understand that the USA healthcare industry is WOEFULLY driven by profit - Ergo, the almost child-like drooling eagerness of the major medical associations to rapidly approve and recommend one of the most serious things a person could POSSIBLY do....Everyone in the industry stands to make billions, and already is.

Who in their right mind cannot infer something from the fact that we take years to approve new drugs, despite the biased and secretive research data of the drug companies, who refuse to release the majority of their study data to doctors and the community - and yet, they have almost IMMEDIATELY approved something 100 times more consequential - such as manipulating body parts to more fully indulge a cross dressing fetish, or the standard and nearly-worldwise-universal typical confusion that a young adolescent feels about what is happening with their body, their desires, and other people.

Add in the influence of tik tok and social media, wherein the coolest thing you can possibly do is announce you are something-other-than-conventional, and you have a situation that is so obviously wrong it continues to shock me how gullible people are.

But even greater than that shock, such that I can't find any words for it, is to realize that some people are not just "ok" with it ... they're aggressively pushing it, such that their state government will literally pay people to come from other states just to get it done - such that California and Minnesote are passing laws so if a child is travelling with their parents INTO ca or mn temporarily on vacation, the CA or MN Child Protective Services departments can take temporary custody of the child, against the parent's wishes, for the sole reason that the child expresses a wish to have a gender surgery but the parent will not allow it

We used to furrow our brows at Disney movies which began to go to great lengths to display 2 men kissing or a lesbian relationship.
That's small potatoes now people, we've Slipped down that Slope so far that now........

Imagine you live in Missouri. Take your family to Disneyland in CA. Go on vacation with a son and a daughter, come back with two sons instead.
All while the State took your daughter away from you in CA to make SURE she gets that surgery!

I will hold back the rest of what I want to say, as I know from God's word that some people have been deceived.
Deception is powerful. A 3rd party observer sees utter insanity, but he who is inside his own deception "sees" a bed of roses.

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

or a lesbian relationship.

It's strange really, I'm ok with lesbian relationships!

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

All while the State took your daughter away from you

I'm against arming people with guns . But here's a case where I think the parents should be allowed to shoot the person's responsible !!!

 

[Isaac]

Utilization and Costs of Gender-Affirming Care in a Commercially Insured Transgender Population - PMC

Many transgender people need specific medical services to affirm their gender. Gender-affirming health care services may include mental health support, hormone therapy, and reconstructive surgeries. Scant information is available about the ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A lot of interesting data in here about the exponential rise of the gender-denialist industry.

You can make a LOT of money off of people's confusion! In fact I'd hazard a guess that the consumer's state of confusion makes money in quite a few industries - Addiction/rehab for sure, religious groups when people mis-use them for $ and power, politics to take advantage of suffering and offer a vague or ineffective or untrue or even-more-harmful solution (government dependency, some minorities), etc.

I have first hand experience in this. I've been reflecting on this for a couple years, and I have concluded that if you were to ask me just approximately speaking, what would I say is the absolute worst, most painful, most consequential, most evil thing or harm that has ever been done to me, or tried to be done, or lobbed in my direction broadly speaking, I would say this: It would be during times & topics in my life where I was confused and suffering from deeply held beliefs mostly constituted by delusions, and when a person or people basically "toyed" with that -- i.e. affirmed, suggested, steered, complicated, used, that.

What I needed during that time was people who would gently tell me the truth. Not my truth, The truth. Not affirming, rather Correcting.
I needed to be listened to, yes - to a degree, and to that degree only.

But there were those who 'used' the confusion to their own ends, and I would put them in the category of the most hurtful.

May God have mercy on those who are actively working to encourage the most casual decision-making process, with the most gossamer possible basis to 10, 12, 14 year olds ..... Which has one of the most consequential impacts they'll ever face.

Beyond deception, which is explanation enough, most people's actual basis is apparent enough:

• Medical industry = $
• Medical students = You just don't stand up and challenge a professor. I know this from law school, you just .... don't do it. You comply
• Politicians = to gain the favor and resultant power that comes from appearing to be the Savior of [any group]
• The 30% of regular Americans who support this stuff = They were taught that to support this equals love and beneficience. Their underlying motives are good, they just bought into a lie that, quite irrationally, connects the two things

Tolerating the general flaunting of unconventional lifestyles and 'identities', against what we want to teach our children, is one thing.
Tolerating the government and schools physically forcing children to accept and promote these things is quite another--and possibly one reason why some feel it would, hypothetically, be an issue worth fighting for.

At the very least, vote Republican always, until we get an electable 3rd party candidate.

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

That's a good post Isaac....

 

[Isaac]

It's strange really, I'm ok with lesbian relationships!

Now, now, UG. Close that webpage!
(just teasing).

It's strange really for me too, I do not wish for there to be any legal or authoritative changes with respect to consenting adults' relationships - gay or lesbian or fetishes of any kind (spandex, latex, smoking, feet or cross dressing included!)

I DO oppose the removal of parental authority, the physical forcing of disagreeing citizens to be required to publicly declare tacit support for something they disagree with (pronouns or misgendering at work, under penalty of being canned), and forcing children of non-believing families to be taught objectionable material.

 

[Isaac]

That's a good post Isaac....

Thanks UG.

Here is the rest of what I got. No more from me unless it's in response to further dialogue, I promise

Utilization and Costs of Gender-Affirming Care in a Commercially Insured Transgender Population

Many transgender people need specific medical services to affirm their gender. Gender-affirming health care services may include mental health support, hormone therapy, and reconstructive surgeries. Scant information is available about the utilization ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

(Shows trend beginning exponentially in 2011)

https://www.npr.org/2011/12/31/144520538/2011-an-extraordinary-year-for-gay-rights

(Shows societal attitude changes in 2011. Heck of a coincidence for something immutable, right ??!?)

The NCBI government study, shows a massive upward trend from 2011 to 2019, but emphasizes the low out of pocket costs of the issue, seemingly quite supportive.

'CONFLICTS' SECTION OF ARTICLE:

"The authors have no conflicts to disclose."

Actual Linkedin profile of author https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellanb/

• Group member "Out to Innovate" with rainbow icon
• Cofounder FtM Phoenix, "We work to promote the advancement of trans people and the development of the trans community in Russia and Eurasia"
• Founding member "Out2Enroll", rainbow advocacy organization.

I'm sorry, but ... "No Conflicts to Disclose" ?? I guess that means "No conflicts I want to disclose"
So I guess you could say the red is the lie (the typical lie that the gender revoluation agenda's depends on to continue), the green is the Truth.

"No Agenda", they say ???

 

[Isaac]

Pretty soon, it won't matter what you OR I think...
7 yr old Johnny will decide.

BREAKING: California Bill Would Charge Any Parent Who Doesn’t Affirm Transgenderism With ‘Child Abuse’

AB 957 rewrites the California Family Code to include "gender affirmation" as a basic need parents must provide their children.

www.dailysignal.com

In the 80s when pop psychology started telling parents to let Little Johnny be in charge, it was at most an annoyance. You had to endure the awful behavior of other people's kids in the vicinity, but you could still raise your own decent.

Lil' different in this next phase!

Vote Republican if you want sanity to have a fighting chance

 

[Isaac]

Calling out a good example of a story so ludicrous you won't be able to decide if you want to laugh or cry when reading it.

The story is a bizarre mix of Disney who owns ABC who claims a family had a daughter which they named "Elsa"..Yes, it's familiar isn't it, who at the young tender age of three, announced philosophies far beyond the wisdom of her years.

I know parenting has taken a nose dive in quality over the past few decades, but is it possible there is anyone who is really this stupid??

'Genocidal': Transgender people begin to flee states with anti-LGBTQ laws

Transgender people are beginning to flee states with anti-LGBTQ laws, including Florida, Missouri and Texas.

abcnews.go.com

Elsa's parents describe her as wise beyond her years. She had expressed that she was a girl from an early age and guided her parents through her gender journey – asking to wear dresses, change her name, and to be referred to as a “daughter” by her parents.

“When she was 3, one day, she told me, ‘I'm a girl person,’” Susan said in an interview with ABC News. It was National Daughters Day, “and she said, ‘Can I be your daughter?’ – which made me cry.”

 

[The_Doc_Man]

While I firmly believe it is possible for a person assigned as a male at birth to later realize that something is wrong and they are actually female in their orientation, I have to question whether it is possible for a three-year-old person to reach that recognition. It is, in my mind, not possible to be sure until after puberty kicks in because prior to that time, certain brain development changes don't occur. I am a believer in the tripartite mind model of child-parent-adult selves, and the adult self that makes logical decisions isn't going to seriously develop until puberty. At three years old, even the parent self (holder of things learned by rote i.e. from your parents) isn't developed very well. That doesn't kick in until about 5, 6, or 7 years old. It is also why there is a lower age limit in 1st grade.

Having said that, I also understand the motive for parents with a trans child to be concerned about violence and legal barriers to treatment. My gay stepdaughter didn't "come out" until she was a teen, and Louisiana was, at least at that time, relatively gay friendly. Nor is "P" actually planning a surgical situation anyway. However, in all 50 states, a doctor is required by law to report suspicion of child abuse. In a state where LGBTQ+ treatment is illegal and defined as child abuse, a clinic visit for treating a cold or the flu could lead to the intervention of child protective services organizations which could in turn lead to loss of custody for the child. That loss of custody is scary enough for parents of a straight child, but for parents of a gay child, it has to border on nightmarish. I can't blame anyone moving because of that issue, particularly if they love and accept their child as-is, without reservation. Sort of like the Bible describes the love of children.