How many genders are there?

[Isaac]

You took a leap, Isaac, and I will call you down on specifics. I don't want to influence other people's children to be anything they aren't. UNLESS what they are is "filled with hate instilled by their parents." That is, to me, intolerable and shameful. Whatever happened to "Love they neighbor as thyself"? Does THAT no longer have meaning even to Christians? Instilling hatred into little kids is a form of mental molestation in and of itself.

Let's clear some air, here. No, I don't want to influence kids to become gay. Yes, I understand that during puberty, strange things go on inside a developing body. Yes, I think it is irresponsible to do body modification on a juvenile. Are we OK on those statements?

I VERY SPECIFICALLY disagree with Vivek's narrow viewpoint regarding whether there is a gender spectrum, due to the brain structure variations I have posted about in other places. His attitude is the subtle kind of hatred that comes about when people disapprove of you simply because you are who you are.

Did you learn nothing from history regarding the Civil Rights movement of activism that revved up in the 1960s? Do you want to chastise blacks or Asians or Hispanics for who they are BEFORE you know of their character? Do you remember how race relations became divisive because Caucasians were slow to open up their attitudes and to be more accepting of other ethnicities? And do you see how our divided country is re-opening that old wound? What we do to blacks, Asians, Caucasians, Native Americans, Hispanics ... these are reflections of our inner character. To mistreat others is to expose our own weaknesses.

OK, there may be a fine line to tread here. But dismissal of another person's pain is probably not the best path to follow, even if you don't know what else to do. I learned a principle when playing tournament bridge a long time ago, but it applies to life as much as it applies to card games: If you don't know what is right to do, don't do what you KNOW to be wrong. Try something else instead.

I have no idea what you're talking about, as we weren't talking about mistreating anyone.
Once again, you can't argue with the merits of the topic so you pretend as if we are talking about bullying or harrassing people, which we most definitely were not.

But trying to confuse young children by influencing them to consider sex topics of any kind is definitely mistreating people! And should be illegal.

 

[Isaac]

Let's consider something for a moment.

1. For most children who are molested when very young, what's the nature of the life-long harm?
Is it mostly physical?

A: Most definitely 'not'. In fact, in probably a majority of instances, there is zero physical harm. The harm is psychological. There are feelings of fear, guilt, shame, and mostly - massive CONFUSION.

So why do we punish people for, say, fondling or some kind of non-intercourse molestation? Do we punish them because the child was severely physically harmed and can barely walk? Not at all, because that kind of damage usually isn't even present.

In fact, in the cases of the very young children, many of them wouldn't even know they'd been molested unless someone told them.

The harm is in the mind - the emotions - the thinking - the beliefs - the confusion - the questioning - the "who really Am I??" that haunts them for years.

And that is why I think people who are pushing sex topics on children should be incarcerated if they refuse to stop after a warning.
They are producing a very similar, if not precisely the same, harm as is done to children (in essence), when they are molested.

The harm is about the same. Thus the punishment should be about the same.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I have no idea what you're talking about, as we weren't talking about mistreating anyone.

Now you are being intentionally disingenuous or evasive. You know very well what I'm talking about.

 

[Isaac]

I'll give them one thing, they have more energy for this EXHAUSTING sounding lifestyle that I would

Demi Lovato reveals why using they/them pronouns was 'absolutely exhausting'

Demi Lovato, who recently announced she was adding back in "she/her" pronouns in addition to "they/them" pronouns, explained why she made the change.

www.foxnews.com

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Once again, you can't argue with the merits of the topic so you pretend as if we are talking about bullying or harrassing people, which we most definitely were not.

You are SO dense behind your religious indoctrination on the subject that you don't realize that suppression of gay rights as is currently occurring IS bullying and harassing them.

NO, I am not talking about "child grooming" - which I believe is a Liberal false flag anyway.

Book suppression on a SINGLE PERSON'S COMPLAINT. Making a stink over books that talk about non-conforming gender situations. OK, you want them age-restricted to middle school? I could see that. But outright bans? Someone can probably get a "freedom of the press" or "freedom of speech" action there. But do you know what Nazis did during the war? They burned books they didn't like.

Suppressing drag performances? They even occurred in Shakespeare's time. Women were not allowed on stage back then, so many plays had men with high-pitched voices playing the parts. Or boys, who were considered more feminine at the time.

Why weren’t women allowed to act in Shakespeare’s plays?

Since Charles’ declaration that women’s parts “maie be performed by woemen,” women have played an increasingly diverse role in Shakespearean theater – including playing lead male roles.

source.colostate.edu

Do you remember the stink that finally (and deservedly) arose around Hollywood's casting of Caucasians in black-face, yellow-face, red-face... until finally someone had the GUTS to cast black women in black women's roles? They cast Native Americans in Native American roles? And Michelle Yeoh was cast in an Asian role - for which she won an Academy Award this year? (Go, Michelle!)

Failing to see people as they are is a slap in the face to those people. Marginalizing and trivializing them is inexcusable, but the Religious Right would completely strip such people of all rights and the dignity of being themselves. But you don't understand that as bullying or harassing. I am truly sorry for you, Isaac, because on so many other levels you are a decent guy. But you can't seem to look at that part of yourself in the mirror.

 

[Isaac]

Wrong, they do exist of course, which nobody has ever denied. That's their false flag. But, they just can't shove their ideology down other people's kids throats. That's why they're facing the backlash.. widespread...that they are.
And by the way, that backlash is growing, not shrinking, and it is absolutely not limited to religious people such as myself

 

[Isaac]