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[Galaxiom]

I suggest you read some books on the Cyclic change of the Earth as they are clearly documented...

I know a lot more about the science of climate cycles on this planet than you do, Scott.

Anyone who understood that science would not try to explain the current warming by citing these cycles because they should all be turning cold.

The latest proven phenomenon is a one hundred year cycle currently causing a lull in the Sun's output. It will be back to normal early next decade.

 

[scott-atkinson]

I know a lot more about the science of climate cycles on this planet than you do, Scott.

Prove It!!

Anyone who understood that science would not try to explain the current warming by citing these cycles because they should all be turning cold.

Not so, as I have stated each Ice Age was bought about by a warm spell driven by CO2 deposits in the atmoshpere, melting the ice caps and turning off the warm air flows, so it has to warm up first before it gets cold... currently we are in the latter stages of the warming period..

Have we through our pollution speeded up this process, I am pretty sure of that, would it have happened anyway, of course history proves it does, but probably not as quick!!

The latest proven phenomenon is a one hundred year cycle currently causing a lull in the Sun's output. It will be back to normal early next decade.

Sounds like from your own admission that Global Warming is not happening and is merely a cycle driven by changes in the Solar System...

 

[Galaxiom]

Sounds like from your own admission that Global Warming is not happening and is merely a cycle driven by changes in the Solar System...

Not at all. The Sun is blamed for the temperature rise by opponents of Climate Change science. In the fact the Sun is at a low period, the opposite of what is claimed by the deniers.

 

[scott-atkinson]

I agree with you on this point, some people do blame the Sun for Climate Change, you and I both know that is rubbish..

Yes man made pollution has had an effect, and has probably speeded up the Earth Climate Change cycle, but the Earth's climate is cyclic, and we are due another Ice Age, and before an Ice Age you have the warming period.

What I resent about this Cyclic issue is that Governments have found a way to Tax it and make money off it... Now it's not the tax that I have a problem with, it's what they do with the money that I have the problem with...

The money collected should go into extensive investment in renewable and sustainable Green Energies, but it doesn't... So we have to resort to things like Fracking... which I agree with you will have an impact on the environment, but without any other solutions, the lights in the UK will go out and old people will die of the cold because they will choose to spend what little money they have on food and not heating... and why, because we Import all our energy and the Energy companies hold us to ransom.

Getting back to the Subject of this Thread, that is just one of the reasons why I hate my Government, but while the population is content with their lot and choose to close their eyes to what is happening around them, then noting will change..

I'm just as much to blame, I whinge about it, but do nothing...

 

[scott-atkinson]

Galixiom, I have enjoyed our debate my friend...

Have a great Christmas and New Year...

 

[Old Man Devin]

If the earth is 4.6 to 5 billion years old and we have been compiling weather data for a mere 100 years, we simply do not have enough data.

You can try and build computer models and extrapolate information and even take core samples. The reality is we are in an elliptical orbit not a circular orbit around the sun. Occasionally we wobble a little closer or we wobble a little farther out.

It's also possible we are in a 10,000 year cycle that has nothing to do with us.

Believe it or not, the people who work on this sort of thing DO know about these issues and have taken them into account, however the evidence for short-term human influences being the main cause of the recent changes is overwhelming compared to the slow and more minor (on short-scale) natural variations.

The IPCC reports are a good start point for info on how much we understand.

 

[scott-atkinson]

Believe it or not, the people who work on this sort of thing DO know about these issues and have taken them into account, however the evidence for short-term human influences being the main cause of the recent changes is overwhelming compared to the slow and more minor (on short-scale) natural variations.

The IPCC reports are a good start point for info on how much we understand.

How can the recent freezing conditions in the US be conducive with the Global Warming theory? Isn't the clue in the title...

Unless as I have already described in a previous post, that the warming cycle does indeed rather than lead to a general warming of the planet leads to an ice age, as the Ice Caps melt which disrupts the sea currents and thus switches off the warm air converyors from the equator thus plunging the northern hemisphere into an Ice Age...

 

[Old Man Devin]

How can the recent freezing conditions in the US be conducive with the Global Warming theory? Isn't the clue in the title...

Unless as I have already described in a previous post, that the warming cycle does indeed rather than lead to a general warming of the planet leads to an ice age, as the Ice Caps melt which disrupts the sea currents and thus switches off the warm air converyors from the equator thus plunging the northern hemisphere into an Ice Age...

Simply because global warming is a long term trend, one of the effects of which is increased occurrence of extreme weather events, which can include unusual short-term cold periods. So it's extremely cold for a few months here and there (and extremely hot just as often if not more), but the trend over 300 years is upwards.

I've heard people talk about the possibility of an ice age, but as I understand I don't think it's considered likely. The main reason as I recall is that air and sea conveyors are very very hard to impact on a large scale because the volumes of energy and material involved are very large.

 

[Galaxiom]

How can the recent freezing conditions in the US be conducive with the Global Warming theory? Isn't the clue in the title..

If you bothered to inform yourself with the science then you wouldn't ask such a foolish question.

The Arctic has warmed several degrees, reducing the temperature differential between the pole and the tropics. This differential is what drives the Jet Stream which coincides with the boundary between hot and cold. It has slowed considerably as a result of the warming of the Arctic.

The slower Jet Stream meanders much more widely bringing frigid weather much further southward and tropical weather much more northwards at times.

Moreover the loops in its path tend to stay in one place longer bring protracted extreme weather events.

 

[Galaxiom]

If the earth is 4.6 to 5 billion years old and we have been compiling weather data for a mere 100 years, we simply do not have enough data.

You need to appreciate the difference between weather and climate. We have a lot of climate data from the geological records.

Moreover, your "not enough data" proposition suggests that since it is not possible to project future with absolute certainty we should simple ignore the science.

Instead we are to assume there isn't a problem based on complete ignorance and the ridiculous dismissive arguments such as suggesting scientists are not aware of the obvious as you did in your "eliptical orbit" nonsense.

It's also possible we are in a 10,000 year cycle that has nothing to do with us.

All the evidence from observations of previous climate cycles suggests the temperature should be declining. Indeed it was until the trend was overwhelmed by the enormous increase in greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.

 

[Old Man Devin]

All the evidence from observations of previous climate cycles suggests the temperature should be declining. Indeed it was until the trend was overwhelmed by the enormous increase in greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.

Absolutely correct. Hard to explicitly prove in a forum debate, but suffice to say the proofs exist in detail and are attested to by the body of experts concerned. Since this issue has a powerful scientific consensus, one of the strongest ever demonstrated, it is hard to argue that the professionals are wrong and the amateur theorists can really know something they don't.

 

[scott-atkinson]

The Arctic has warmed several degrees, reducing the temperature differential between the pole and the tropics. This differential is what drives the Jet Stream which coincides with the boundary between hot and cold. It has slowed considerably as a result of the warming of the Arctic.

The slower Jet Stream meanders much more widely bringing frigid weather much further southward and tropical weather much more northwards at times.

Moreover the loops in its path tend to stay in one place longer bring protracted extreme weather events.

I believe that is what I alluded to in the second past of my post, clearly you didn't read that far down...

 

[Old Man Devin]

I believe that is what I alluded to in the second past of my post, clearly you didn't read that far down...

I'd say a difference exists between your psots, probably because you used the term 'Ice Age', which implies changes more extreme than just greater seasonal variations.

 

[kajtam]

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