Judicial Tyranny (1 Viewer)

[Pat Hartman]

It will be interesting how the courts will handle certification. I don't see it being that hard in cases like the birth right cases. There is obviously enough identifiable affected persons for a class, Their issues of law is equally common amongst them, and there's plenty of competent couns

I haven't heard anyone say anything specific but I'd think that if you are already a citizen via birthright, that won't change. Revoking all birthright citizenships would be impossible. It will most likely apply to the currently unborn. So, technically, there aren't any people who are currently alive who would be affected. Would the unborn have standing? Probably in the eyes of the Dems although since the Dems don't believe they have the right to be born at all, who knows. How about the unconceived?

 

[Isaac]

Revoking all birthright citizenships would be impossible.

I seriously hope he doesn't try it, but I wouldn't put it past him

 

[Steve R.]

I would suggest that illegal immigrants would not have any standing before the court to file a class action lawsuit. Their presence in the US is illegal.

 

[moke123]

I seriously hope he doesn't try it, but I wouldn't put it past him

Well it's a DOJ priority to revoke naturalized citizenship, so there's that.

https://www.justice.gov/civil/media/1404046/dl?inline See Section 5. Notice the catch-all at the end.

 

[Isaac]

I wonder how that legal process will look

 

[AngelSpeaks]

I wonder how that legal process will look

I would imagine that once they put their names down they will be taken in and deported.

 

[Isaac]

I would imagine that once they put their names down they will be taken in and deported.

Possibly, unless of course they win the case upon which their deportation hinged

 

[AngelSpeaks]

Possibly, unless of course they win the case upon which their deportation hinged

They will be deported before the case is heard. One of the reasons why illegals don't report crimes, especially against themselves, is before the criminal is indicted, the illegals get reported to immigration.

 

[Pat Hartman]

I seriously hope he doesn't try it, but I wouldn't put it past him

Sounds like you have acquired a case of TDS.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Well it's a DOJ priority to revoke naturalized citizenship, so there's that.

Only you would read that to mean they are targeting offspring of illegal aliens who had no control over the actions of their parents.

Do you really think it is rational to examine every single birth record of everyone alive and determine if both parents were not citizens?

That EO is intended to get rid of people like Ilhan Omar who lied to get here and then married her brother to import him.

 

[Isaac]

Sounds like you have acquired a case of TDS.

No, I just observe his actions so far. Anyone who can come onboard as president and think he can revoke birthright citizenship is certainly, easily, capable of doing what I referred to, which is a much lesser/smaller thing

 

[Pat Hartman]

No, I just observe his actions so far. Anyone who can come onboard as president and think he can revoke birthright citizenship is certainly, easily, capable of doing what I referred to, which is a much lesser/smaller thing

Maybe you could add the Constitution to your history reading and put the 14th amendment into context. The people who wrote that intended it to apply to the children of slaves who had no allegiance to any other government. They had no intention of applying it to people who break our laws to enter the country.

Why would you ever want to reward criminals who come here to steal from us?

 

[Isaac]

Maybe you could add the Constitution to your history reading and put the 14th amendment into context. The people who wrote that intended it to apply to the children of slaves who had no allegiance to any other government. They had no intention of applying it to people who break our laws to enter the country.

Why would you ever want to reward criminals who come here to steal from us?

Because you have to draw the line somewhere, and I think NOT drawing it at the "if you're born here, you're a citizen" line will lead to way too much chaos, uncertainty, ambiguity and challenging. And I doubt that the constitution writers intended it to apply only to children of slaves and nothing else. They certainly could have said that if they'd wanted to.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Because you have to draw the line somewhere, and I think NOT drawing it at the "if you're born here, you're a citizen" line will lead to way too much chaos

What other country in the WORLD offers citizenship to the children of non-citizens? Especially to non-citizens who are in the country ILLEGALLY. That is insanity. It's like sprinkling sugar all over your kitchen floor to keep away the ants.

 

[Pat Hartman]

And I doubt that the constitution writers intended it to apply only to children of slaves and nothing else. They certainly could have said that if they'd wanted to.

We barely had immigration laws at the time. Who knew then that people from China would pay enablers for the privilege of giving birth in the US so they could have an anchor baby? At least they come into the country legally. We can't say that for the folks from Mexico and Central America and the rest of the world.

The politicians solved the problem they had and that was that the Democrats were trying to re-enslave the blacks that 600,000 people of all colors had just died to free.

Why do you think removing birthright citizenship would lead to chaos? You KNOW that the country would never stand for it to be retroactive. Don't you? Going forward, at least one parent needs to prove citizenship. That's all. A birth certificate would do it. Pretty simple. You can't get married without a birth certificate so there can't be any problem obtaining at least one.

You believe the histrionics of the lying liberal press. THEY create chaos but only in your mind. Put on your thinking cap and try to cure your case of late onset TDS. Trump is not the problem here.

 

[Isaac]

What other country in the WORLD offers citizenship to the children of non-citizens?

About 20

Canada

Citizenship granted to all born on Canadian soil (except children of foreign diplomats).

Mexico

Constitutional guarantee of birthright citizenship.

Brazil

Same as above.

Argentina

Unconditional jus soli.

Chile

Mostly unconditional.

Uruguay

Grants citizenship to those born on Uruguayan territory.

Venezuela

Constitutionally guaranteed.

Pakistan

One of the few Asian countries to offer it.

Jamaica

Birth in Jamaica grants citizenship.

Fiji

 

[Isaac]

You KNOW that the country would never stand for it to be retroactive. Don't you?

No, I don't know that. I didn't know until recently that a President might revoke naturalizations, either. But now I do.

 

[Pat Hartman]

No, I don't know that. I didn't know until recently that a President might revoke naturalizations, either. But now I do.

Read the details. None of them have anything to do with the question of birthright citizenship. The explanation was regarding people who lied to obtain citizenship.

About 20

What does it say about people in the country illegally? Canada has a much smaller illegal immigrant problem than we do but that's because our land mass protects them from the worst offenders. As far as the other countries go, I'm guessing they are not magnets for illegal immigration so don't have the same kind of problem that we have.

I, personally have no objection to birthright citizenship as long as the mother (since she is the only relevant party) is in the country legally and is not here simply to game the system as the Chinese are doing. The 14th amendment excludes people like diplomats because of their ties to their home country. People here illegally fall under that provision. That is what Trump is trying to stop.

To stop the Chinese (and other rich people's) scam, the law would have to say that the mother had to have lived continuously in the US for 10 months or longer in order for the child to be entitled to citizenship. Or the father would need to be a US citizen.

Revoking naturalization is quite a different matter. I don't object to the cases specified. I just can't wait until they expel Ilhan Omar.

 

[Isaac]

What does it say about people in the country illegally

For the most part, nothing.

 

[Pat Hartman]

For the most part, nothing.

That should tell you that they don't have an illegal immigrant problem. They must not offer enough freebies.