Science vs. the Religion of Sexuality

[Isaac]

baby moses definitely has a pretty intense look on his face, like 'if you DARE float me in a basket ima remember that forever!'

 

[Isaac]

Sex Religion leads to appalling violence

The truth

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I believe I have said this before. A kid can believe that he/she was born in a body that has incorrect sexual characteristics. A kid can dress as seems appropriate for the self-perceived gender. However, I think that only a person who has reached the legal age of self-decision should be allowed to do something medical that permanently acts on that belief of extreme gender dysphoria.

If it ever becomes cheap enough to have an elective P.E.T. scan of the person's brain in order to determine if the brain structures are inconsistent with the body external sexual characteristics, and with other safeguards in place including heavy counseling to prevent hasty decisions, I MIGHT repeat MIGHT relent on requiring the person to be an adult before making permanent decisions. But there still should be a lower age limit beneath which the answer is "live with what you've got."

That's odd, I'm reading about miracles every day in my reading of Matthew.

The problem with reading about miracles in Matthew is that there is ONE and ONLY one difference between reading Matthew to see miracles and reading Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone to learn about magic. That one difference is that we know the author, J.K. Rowling, was writing fiction at the time. She is still with us and can answer that kind of question. We have NOT A CLUE as to whether Matthew was writing fantasy or not, and the reason is that everyone who definitively knew that answer has been dead for a couple of millennia, give or take a few decades. Which makes them MUCH harder to question.

 

[Galaxiom]

However, I think that only a person who has reached the legal age of self-decision should be allowed to do something medical that permanently acts on that belief of extreme gender dysphoria.

How do you feel about children having the right to make a decision to take puberty suppressing substances. presumably ones that have no permanent effect once discontinued?

 

[The_Doc_Man]

G., I am ambiguous on that one because in theory for the stated case, it should not matter. However, I'm enough of a chemist to doubt the premise of "no permanent effects once discontinued." OK, I was an inorganic/analytical specialist but I DID take courses in organics and biochem.

 

[Isaac]

G and Doc, I would answer that question with a question:

How do you feel about children's rights in general? We all agree they ought to have some rights, but we almost all agree that some things the parents have ultimate say in. (for example, I don't believe any nation says Johnny has the legal right to wear brown pants if Dad wants him to wear blue pants).

Depending on your answer to #1, I'm curious as to what is the rationale for choosing something as drastic as a sexuality-related act (of ANY kind) being in the "children's rights" category, which are generally limited to, "rights that equate to not being abused or neglected in some way". Wouldn't this topic be, like ... the last thing to go in that category? Parents aren't even barred from telling their children not to get a piercing. And yeah, that's piercings anywhere...

 

[The_Doc_Man]

In general, I would say that kids have the right to discuss with their parents anything relating to their apparent sexuality at any time. They have the right to ask for psychological or psychiatric evaluation for determining whether they have legitimate gender dysphoria. However, at some point the kids have to face the reality of economics. Gender confirmation surgery (or whatever they are calling it these days) is not cheap. The exotic pharmaceuticals involved are not cheap. AND for insurance purposes, none of that is anything but elective stuff - as in "lowest tier of insurance coverage." Sometimes it isn't Mom and Dad's wisdom that says "No" but rather it is Mom and Dad's wallets.

Kids past a certain point will likely begin to realize their gender preferences. But it usually takes them longer than puberty to fully understand the practical side of the world of economics.

When a kid is no longer a kid, it doesn't matter to me that s/he wants to cross-dress or flirt in a gay way or have a nip & tuck or whatever. But they probably SHOULD recognize that in at least a few cases, their parents' advice isn't that far off base.

 

[Isaac]

In general, I would say that kids have the right to discuss with their parents anything relating to their apparent sexuality at any time. They have the right to ask for psychological or psychiatric evaluation for determining whether they have legitimate gender dysphoria

Well, sure, but that's not what we're asking. Of course kids have the right to talk to their parents about anything at any time.

The question is if a 12 yr old wants to take any kind of major sexual related step in their lives, surgery or blockers or whatever, but the parent says "No", who has the authority? Traditionally we have said "the parent decides" (like everything else in their life).
Now some are saying "the child decides".

That's the question - not whether a child has a right to talk about something, everyone agrees on that

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The question is if a 12 yr old wants to take any kind of major sexual related step in their lives, surgery or blockers or whatever, but the parent says "No", who has the authority?

In the absence of the "woke" crowd going overboard, the parent has it (legally speaking) because children cannot enter into contracts until they reach some legal age limit. They could not contract with a surgeon or physician without all sorts of legal implications and ramifications and such. Doctors want to be paid for services rendered. They tend to be pissy about that kind of thing.

 

[Isaac]

In the absence of the "woke" crowd going overboard, the parent has it (legally speaking) because children cannot enter into contracts until they reach some legal age limit. They could not contract with a surgeon or physician without all sorts of legal implications and ramifications and such. Doctors want to be paid for services rendered. They tend to be pissy about that kind of thing.

Glad you agree.

Currently many are seeking to change this. Oregon already has.

 

[Isaac]

Lesbian fights claims that lesbians are 'non-men attracted to non-men' | Fox News Video

Carol Hatch, who has been a lesbian as long as she can remember, responds to the LGBTQ community redefining lesbians to mean "non-men who are attracted to non-men."

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When gay Americans fought for same-sex marriage rights, opponents argued that it would lead to more extreme societal changes involving sex and gender.

"I mean, let's face it. It kind of almost looks like the slippery slope argument is true," Hatch said. "The reality is there are men in dresses going into locker rooms and exposing themselves. There are children at drag shows and there are children being put on hormone blockers or even in some cases surgically having things done."

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February Gallup poll found that the number of adults who identified as part of the LGBTQ community more than doubled in the last decade, going from 3.5% in 2012 to 7.2% in 2022. Gen Z represents the largest share of the increase, with nearly 20% identifying as LGBTQ.

The explosion of gender ideology, Hatch said, is most likely a fad among young adults and teens and is stripping people of their uniqueness.

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Hatch said she is plagued with guilt and regret witnessing the "butterfly effect" that decades of advocacy for gay and lesbian causes is having on children today.

"Had I known then what I know now, maybe I would have still wanted gay rights, but I think I would have fought harder to make sure that we didn't involve the children in adult things," she said. "Because it's horrifying."

"Is this the people we are now? Is this who we've become?" Hatch added

 

[Isaac]

It's not "I told you so" mentality, it's a lot of compassion I feel for the 10s of 1000s of people who's lives were destroyed. And some anger I suppose toward those who deliberately steered children, seems like a form of mental torture, which I know something about.

Let's go help someone this weekend