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[The_Doc_Man]

If the votes are arriving late, the counting is not finished.

That is the crux of the argument. If there is a due date and ballots arrive later than that, WAS the counting finished on the due date or not?

There are two laws involved, the election's due date and the rule regarding late-arriving ballots. Their implications are opposite each other. So this is not SCOTUS making a law. It is deciding which of two conflicting laws will prevail.

The law was passed by the heavily Republican legislature of the state of the Mississippi in 2020.

RINOs or dupes.

 

[RogerCooper]

Bottom line: all mail-in ballots should be received not just postmarked by Election Day, with no grace period. This could help standardize the process and improve confidence in the system, as neither side would have a clear advantage.

That would require a change in Federal law, which explicitly allows military ballots to be received late.

Note that a received by Election Day standard would not significantly speed up voting results, as the counting can't begin until the polls close and most of the ballots already arrive by election day.

 

[RogerCooper]

That is the crux of the argument. If there is a due date and ballots arrive later than that, WAS the counting finished on the due date or not?

There are two laws involved, the election's due date and the rule regarding late-arriving ballots. Their implications are opposite each other. So this is not SCOTUS making a law. It is deciding which of two conflicting laws will prevail.


RINOs or dupes.

Mail voting tends to be used more in Republican-leaning rural areas.

The question does the word "cast" mean what is has been interpreted as meaning for the past 150 years or what the snowflakes in the MAGA movement use as their current excuse for losing elections.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

That would require a change in Federal law, which explicitly allows military ballots to be received late.

Understood, but that merely obfuscates the problem.

You have an election. There is an "election day" by which date you must vote, in person or by prior absentee ballots, in order for that vote to count. Federal law allows a grace period AFTER the election for military ballots. There are also laws about using the US Mail, and the "postmark" law applies, too. But those grace periods, however they are worded, CANNOT be indefinite. At some point, you MUST declare an election result because the system is geared to produce a result by thus-and-such a date in order for that result to be implemented. A late ballot can't hold up a process where an office must be filled or an infrastructure building process must begin or a law must be enacted...

So the question has to take into account that your federal grace period merely kicks the can down the road regarding the final goal of an election. The final question remains: At what point is the election process finished such that subsequently arriving ballots must be discarded?

You have a grace period by law and you have an election completion date, also by law. In the case that they don't align, you have a conflict of laws. Which one wins? If that isn't a fair question, then elections mean nothing. Government is about deciding issues. If you delay that decision, you can't do so indefinitely without thwarting the purpose of holding an election. It would be the equivalent of a filibuster as a tactic to stop something from happening - and that would mean the end of a functioning government.

Once the "grace period vs. decision date" question is decided, a voter's failure to take into account any delays inherent in his/her chosen voting process cannot be called "voter disenfranchisement" - it is either bad luck or voter negligence.

 

[AccessBlaster]

....or what the snowflakes in the MAGA movement use as their current excuse for losing elections.

When democrats lose.......

Hillary Clinton—questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election, citing Russian interference and voter suppression concerns
Jimmy Carter—raised concerns about election security vulnerabilities and foreign interference risks
Hakeem Jeffries—questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election in light of Russian interference
John Lewis—stated he did not consider the 2016 election outcome legitimate due to Russian interference
Barbara Lee—objected to Electoral College certification, citing concerns about voter suppression
Maxine Waters—objected to Electoral College certification and raised concerns about election irregularities
Sheila Jackson Lee—objected to Electoral College certification citing voting rights concerns
Stacey Abrams—claimed the 2018 Georgia governor race was unfair due to voter suppression and election administration issues
Al Gore—contested the 2000 election results in Florida over recount and ballot-counting disputes
Bernie Sanders—raised concerns about fairness in the 2016 Democratic primary process
Jamie Raskin—objected to 2016 Electoral College certification citing concerns about foreign interference

 

[Thales750]

When democrats lose.......

Hillary Clinton—questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election, citing Russian interference and voter suppression concerns
Jimmy Carter—raised concerns about election security vulnerabilities and foreign interference risks
Hakeem Jeffries—questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election in light of Russian interference
John Lewis—stated he did not consider the 2016 election outcome legitimate due to Russian interference
Barbara Lee—objected to Electoral College certification, citing concerns about voter suppression
Maxine Waters—objected to Electoral College certification and raised concerns about election irregularities
Sheila Jackson Lee—objected to Electoral College certification citing voting rights concerns
Stacey Abrams—claimed the 2018 Georgia governor race was unfair due to voter suppression and election administration issues
Al Gore—contested the 2000 election results in Florida over recount and ballot-counting disputes
Bernie Sanders—raised concerns about fairness in the 2016 Democratic primary process
Jamie Raskin—objected to 2016 Electoral College certification citing concerns about foreign interference

All of them combined don't add up the current fiction. Good job on getting AI to do some research though.

 

[AccessBlaster]

All of them combined don't add up the current fiction. Good job on getting AI to do some research though.

If you need more examples let me know it's basically endless.

 

[Thales750]

If you need more examples let me know it's basically endless.

It's about degree, and in most cases, completely out of context.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

completely out of context.

Out of the context of your TDS, I would think.