Too Many Post?

[Dave Sherer]

after reading raskew comment to jwindon I felt appaled by the rudeness. lets take in consideration that when starting out in anything we know nothing so we do need help. Some of us are able to read and comprehend what we read and use it to our best ability. Others though need a more hands on aproach, not to say that they aren't comprehensive, just saying they learn in a different way. So a person makes a few post on a subject a more experience user wouldn't ask or thinks 'Hey this is in the help file or some book' whats the big deal? Shouldn't we try helping everyone as much as possible? Even if we need to take them by the hand. This Forum is the Biggest Help file and Book the person can use so why blame that person for using it?

 

[R. Hicks]

If everyone would stop "nipping" at raskew's ankles and learn from his replies, everone would come out ahead. I read his replies at many Access related sites. He is "very, very knowledgable" in this field. The original post that you are referring to I don't think was meant to offend but to bluntly state a point. The point being ..........

Each time someone encounters a problem, they should learn something new when this problem is conquered. Many times answers are accepted simply because they work. In cases like this "nothing is learned". You quickly become dependant of this source as a resolution to problems. I have no formal training in Access myself and program for a living and I have not asked more than 3 or 4 total questions at all the sites I visit, but have answered thousands. I use these forums as a means of "learning by listening". I learn by actually taking someones problem and solving it in a test db on my machine ..... notice I actually test my answers and not simply guess at the answer. If I do not actually test the result and it is not a relatively simple question, I add to my post "Not Sure but" or "Not Tested but" so I will not unknowingly send the person down the wrong path. Giving untested advice is not a good thing. Everyone means well when they do this but it is much harder to fix a problem, down the road, after you have strayed from the correct path in most cases.

I am not pointing fingers at anyone .... but one can learn much more by listening ..... than by talking.

I guess I'll now be "flamed" for my reply ......

RDH

[This message has been edited by R. Hicks (edited 09-09-2001).]

 

[BukHix]

No flames from me, I think you said it all very well.

But just in case are you wearing your asbestos underwear?

 

[R. Hicks]

Well .... as for ... "are you wearing your asbestos underwear?"

I really don't feel I need them. If I feel that I am not appreciated for the help I give "freely", I can simply quit helping those who do not like my approach. I am a Moderator at another large Access site so I try very, very hard to be diplomatic with my responses. But as I said, there are many people who "unknowingly" and also "knowingly" abuse forums such as this one. The "Ultimate Result" from a question someone has thoroughly researched own their own and can not solve should be ..... "A Lessoned Learned". I have seen many people ask the same basic question a month after they had received a solution to the same problem before.

RDH

[This message has been edited by R. Hicks (edited 09-09-2001).]

 

[jwindon]

Actually Rick, if you read the third post in the thread, Raskew admitted to "meant to be offensive". Anyway, I wanted to share something here. Up until recently, I had a good bit of confidence in the knowledge I was using in my databases. Nowadays I find myself "questioning" and "second guessing" only due to many posts where a reply is geared to "design flaws". (although they are not directed toward my posts)I wonder if wonder if another, more subtle approach is warranted. I agree that design is a major factor in database function. I am learning new "standards" from all of you. But because of the negativity I now feel for asking "simple" questions, I am hesitant to expand by knowledge by asking "why?", which is more often than not given. If we do that to a person's database (suggest a whole new structure), it would help the person to begin to understand the whole picture and lessen the chances of making them feel "incompetent".

PS. I receive a lot of useful knowledge from your replies. The ones with the "know-how" are bringing up the babies so to speak.

[This message has been edited by jwindon (edited 09-09-2001).]

 

[BukHix]

To be completely honest with you I didn't think you needed them either. That is why I used the

after my comments. It is just so rare that I can inject something clever (relative, I know) into a thread that I couldn't resist. Sorry, for my lameness!

I for one, am glad you have been frequenting this board lately. I have seen you on A3, is that the board you are talking about or is there another?

 

[Rich]

Ricky travels endlessly, he's known worlwide

 

[R. Hicks]

Buk .... or .... "Whoever you are this week" ......... LMAO
I answer questions at about 7 different Access related sites. The one you mentioned is where I am a Moderator.

Now to jwindon ......
I think his response was due to the "nipping at his ankles" as I mentioned in my earlier post.

As for "Asking Why?". You should always understand the solution given to your problem or you have learned nothing. I am very impressed with your "Enthusiasm". I predict that you will become very proficient in Access (not downing your abilities now). I don't mind answering any question anyone asks, but I do this to help people learn. If my replies end up only being an answer to a problem then I am back at my profession, a "Programmer/Consultant". If I feel my help is teaching someone, I don't mind.

The above is not pointed at you, this is just my general feelings on the subject.

RDH

[This message has been edited by R. Hicks (edited 09-09-2001).]

 

[Rich]

Is it constructive then for the original poster to have dampened the initial enthusiam for attempting to help other postee's by trying to impose limits on their own questions, especially when the number of attempted answers far exceeded the questions posed, or is their a limit to questions posted versus answers given?
Might some research of the actual member initialy singled out for attack not have been productive?