"San Bernardino shooter was well vetted"

[Brianwarnock]

Aw! Come on Frothy, don't you know that the only reason Japan didn't invade America was because the civilians owned rifles which they would use to shoot down the Japanese planes and destroy their tanks? No!! Then you haven't been paying attention to Blade's and D7A's posts.

Brian

Sh@t I had intended to stop posting on these threads

 

[Alc]

Sh@t I had intended to stop posting on these threads

Welcome back to the Dark Side, Brian.

 

[Rx_]

RE: they aren't feasible for self-defense situations.
Really? Something read on the internet or discussed by some professor in a college class?
Self-defense is a bad thing?
OK, it takes all kinds in this world. LOL

 

[Steve R.]

Since not conforming with political correctness is considered inappropriate in this thread by some, here is an example of how ridicules political correctness can become and how it is used intimidate (censor) free speech. Washington Times article: "Coca-Cola yanks ‘racist’ Christmas ad showing whites bringing soda to indigenous Mexicans":

Coca-Cola has apologized and pulled their new Christmas-themed “Open Your Heart” ad after it was deemed racist toward indigenous Mexicans.

Packed Britches in commenting on this article wrote:

I'm just glad to see Latin America catching up with us, why should we be the only people to enjoy the thought police, since you guys down there are new to this let me help you with the rules: (1) everything done or said by a caucasion, Christian, male or heterosexual is wrong (2) you are free to insult these groups of people with impunity - see, it's easy!

Note: In terms of this thread, Obama's immediate reaction was to recognize two possible scenarios. 1) Workplace Violence or 2) an act of Terrorism. To be fair, a conclusion cannot be made on which scenario is correct until there are sufficient facts. Nevertheless, there has been a proven reluctance by the Obama administration to actually call terrorism, "terrorism". Obama finally recognized the Fort Hood shooting after six years as a terrorist act and not work place violence.

 

[Bladerunner]

I thought a Mumbai, Paris type attack in the US would bring it to its senses re gun laws sadly seems to be getting worse. - Donald Trump is the most dangerous man in the US.

There's something deeply wrong with the world when someone like him can be as rich as he is, never mind a frontrunner for leader of the free world.

If hes the leader of the western world - I can see why people think the west is broken and must be overthrown.

Gun control is California's patsy. They like Chicago have some of the toughest gun laws in the country...They still have a ban on assault weapons.

Nothing stopped them... They were not even on the no-fly list.

Get over it,,,they , the left liberals will tell you lies about the guns laws in this country. Yes, we have background checks....I have been through on a many of time for various different reasons.

The only thing that would have help would have been if one or two or more of the county employees were carrying a concealed weapon..(In knowwwwwww a terrible thought for you weanies out there). Ask yourself this,,,If you wind up in a situation like the Ca shooting, would you rather have someone (or multiples) there with a weapon(s) and the knowledge of how to use it or would you rather wait on the law.

We have in the US raised a bunch of Weannies who are afraid to hurt someone feelings and do not want to feel Uncomfortable in any situation. A bunch of crybabies and it will be the downfall of this nation. We are already headed in that direction.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Gun control is California's patsy. They like Chicago have some of the toughest gun laws in the country...They still have a ban on assault weapons.

Nothing stopped them... They were not even on the no-fly list.

Get over it,,,they , the left liberals will tell you lies about the guns laws in this country. Yes, we have background checks....I have been through on a many of time for various different reasons.

The only thing that would have help would have been if one or two or more of the county employees were carrying a concealed weapon..(In knowwwwwww a terrible thought for you weanies out there). Ask yourself this,,,If you wind up in a situation like the Ca shooting, would you rather have someone (or multiples) there with a weapon(s) and the knowledge of how to use it or would you rather wait on the law.

We have in the US raised a bunch of Weannies who are afraid to hurt someone feelings and do not want to feel Uncomfortable in any situation. A bunch of crybabies and it will be the downfall of this nation. We are already headed in that direction.

We had our own case the other day, a mentally ill but jihadist inspired man attacked using a knife. In the US it would have been a gun and people likely would have died.

Of course if I found myself in CA type situation - i'd like a good guy with a gun. I'd like more to make it as hard as possible for the bad guy to get a gun though.

Some of his weapons were his - others sold legally then obtained by the guy. http://www.wsj.com/articles/san-bernardino-guns-originally-bought-legally-later-modified-1449254384

Doh!

 

[Frothingslosh]

RE: they aren't feasible for self-defense situations.
Really? Something read on the internet or discussed by some professor in a college class?
Self-defense is a bad thing?
OK, it takes all kinds in this world. LOL

Oh, come on, I at least thought you were smarter than Murderboy.

Since when does 'not feasible for self-defense' mean 'self-defense is bad'? Since you obviously don't understand what the word 'feasible' means, let's pull up a definition for you:

fea·si·ble
ˈfēzəb(ə)l/
adjective
possible to do easily or conveniently.

The fact of the matter is that in virtually any self-defense situation you will find in America, a handgun is ALWAYS more feasible than a rifle of any sort, even an assault rifle.

Nice job twisting my meaning around, though - you should be a Republican! You appear to be about as dishonest as Bill O'Reilly, it seems.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Gun control is California's patsy. They like Chicago have some of the toughest gun laws in the country...They still have a ban on assault weapons.

Nothing stopped them... They were not even on the no-fly list.

Get over it,,,they , the left liberals will tell you lies about the guns laws in this country. Yes, we have background checks....I have been through on a many of time for various different reasons.

The only thing that would have help would have been if one or two or more of the county employees were carrying a concealed weapon..(In knowwwwwww a terrible thought for you weanies out there). Ask yourself this,,,If you wind up in a situation like the Ca shooting, would you rather have someone (or multiples) there with a weapon(s) and the knowledge of how to use it or would you rather wait on the law.

We have in the US raised a bunch of Weannies who are afraid to hurt someone feelings and do not want to feel Uncomfortable in any situation. A bunch of crybabies and it will be the downfall of this nation. We are already headed in that direction.

If by 'Weannies' you mean 'people whose first inclination isn't to kill children or people who disagree with them', then sure. Most people call those 'responsible adults', though.

If one or two of the county employees had been armed, you know what would have almost certainly happened? A higher body count. You know why? Because unlike in those blood-soaked daydreams you masturbate to every day, the reality is that civilians aren't trained in how to react in a combat situation. They know nothing about when to fire and when not to fire, lines of fire, target identification, and aiming under high-stress situations. They would just open up on anyone carrying guns or who they thought MIGHT be carrying guns, and even more innocent lives would have been lost to their bravado.

But you keep on thinking you're some sort of Rambo who'll save the world by killing every child and bad guy you encounter. The rest of the world knows better, Murderboy.

 

[Alc]

Oh, come on, I at least thought you were smarter than Murderboy.

Since when does 'not feasible for self-defense' mean 'self-defense is bad'?

Yeah, I went back a reread your original post to see if you'd actually said that, and I'd just missed it but wasn't too surprised to find that Glenn Beck Jr. made a real leap of "logic" to get there.

Must make an argument far easier if you ignore what's written, then pretend the other person said something they didn't so that you can respond to it with what you want to say. Of course, our resident tinfoil-hat faux-christian was all over it, but then it did offer the chance to insult the Liberals, use multiple commas, and exteeeeend words in ridiculous ways.

Out of interest, were Red Dawn, Invasion USA, Die Hard, etc. marketed as instructional films in the US? In most of the world, they were sold as entertainment, but faux-christian seems to think otherwise.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/z3t2hv4

 

[Frothingslosh]

Out of interest, were Red Dawn, Invasion USA, Die Hard, etc. marketed as instructional films in the US?

Nope, they were marketed as entertainment here, too.

But then again, the leading Republican presidential candidate is running a campaign based on Mein Kampf, the next most popular candidate appears to be insane, and for the last fifteen years, the Republicans (and, to a lesser extent, the federal government overall) seems to have been using Nineteen Eighty-Four as a how-to manual rather than a warning.

Then there's the corruption of American Capitalism to be about the richest of the rich owning everything and polluting the crap out of the world, and the corruption of American Christianity to be about greed and selfishness, rejecting mercy, compassion, and tolerance as abhorrent.

With all that, I guess anything is possible.

Also, I'm starting to think Alex Jones Jr, not Glenn Beck Jr.

 

[Frothingslosh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/z3t2hv4

Fairly simplistic, since it's summing a major and hideously complicated issue on one page, but I have to agree that the points made are cogent. I do think that our fetish for violence plays a large part as well, though.

 

[Alc]

Nope, they were marketed as entertainment here, too.

Surprising, then, how many people think that a bit of training would make them Steven Seagal or Bruce Willis in any dangerous situation. From talking to more than one soldier, police office, etc. it's pretty clear that no one knows how they're going to react under fire until it actually happens and even the best trained people get things wrong or freeze at times.

There are plenty of stories available of people who received A LOT more training than any of these "county employees" could ever realistically be expected to receive and still didn't perform perfectly the first time they needed to. The difference being that they might regularly be under fire, so as long as they survive they do gain experience that helps them handle it on future occasions. Arming someone for a (hopefully) one-off occurrence and expecting them to get it right and not make things worse is more than a bit optimistic and does smack of not being able to differentiate between entertainment and reality.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I don't know why the Dem's are so worked up about The Donald, America has been very happy with the job President Obama has done right? It should be a mere formality for Hillary. The left should be doing victory laps, not bitting their nails...

Now where is that tongue n cheek emoji?

 

[Frothingslosh]

Surprising, then, how many people think that a bit of training would make them Steven Seagal or Bruce Willis in any dangerous situation. From talking to more than one soldier, police office, etc. it's pretty clear that no one knows how they're going to react under fire until it actually happens and even the best trained people get things wrong or freeze at times.

There are plenty of stories available of people who received A LOT more training than any of these "county employees" could ever realistically be expected to receive and still didn't perform perfectly the first time they needed to. The difference being that they might regularly be under fire, so as long as they survive they do gain experience that helps them handle it on future occasions. Arming someone for a (hopefully) one-off occurrence and expecting them to get it right and not make things worse is more than a bit optimistic and does smack of not being able to differentiate between entertainment and reality.

Civilians shooting back in an active mass shooting situation is a police department's worst nightmare.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Now where is that tongue n cheek emoji?

How about this one?

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I don't know why the Dem's are so worked up about The Donald, America has been very happy with the job President Obama has done right? It should be a mere formality for Hillary. The left should be doing victory laps, not bitting their nails...

Now where is that tongue n cheek emoji?

The worry about the D*****d is how many other D******ds support him and believe his lies as truths.

 

[Alc]

Civilians shooting back in an active mass shooting situation is a police department's worst nightmare.

..and the far right's wet dream. Like I said, far too many people unable to tell the difference between an action movie and a documentary.

 

[Alc]

The worry about the D*****d is how many other D******ds support him.

Is anyone genuinely worried about him? I mean, I know he has a lot of backing from certain more extreme members of the population, but thus far he seems to be given only the respect he deserves. I know, theoretically, anyone can win but he must a long shot, surely?

 

[AccessBlaster]

The worry about the D*****d is how many other D******ds support him and believe his lies as truths.

See what I mean, he's not even a Dem. Buckle up folks it's going to be a bumpy ride.