Are you an atheist? (1 Viewer)

[Dick7Access]

I saw that one coming.

The arrogance of the Islamic adherents is quite remarkable. Little wonder they are causing so much trouble on the planet.

I can assure you I wasn't born a Muslim and I will never ever have the slightest respect for its archaic fascist philosophy. and those who promote it.

Same here, I saw it coming and was going to respond but changed my mind. I wasn’t born anything actually. Well I shouldn’t say that. Some men say they were born without a penny in their pocket. I was born without a pocket. <G>
Ps. Hey Galaxiom, Are you following our presidential race at all?

 

[spikepl]

The arrogance of the Islamic adherents is quite remarkable. Little wonder they are causing so much trouble on the planet.

Quite so.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

What are you talking about? Don't you realise that women are nothing more than an organ to reproduce the real humans.

Similarities between being Muslim and Australian then.

 

[Galaxiom]

Similarities between being Muslim and Australian then.

Perhaps the meaning of is lost on you. (It means sarcastic.)

Like any country there is a vast range of attitudes about many issues. If you make a generalisation and consider Australians only as aboriginal Australian rather than the invaders then yes you are on the money.

But this is due to the difficult circumstances of many aboriginal Australians. Sexual prejudice is more rightly the realm of poorly educated whose upbringing was dominated by patriarchal bigotry.

In circles where I mix the attitudes to sexual equality are extremely healthy.

 

[Dick7Access]

Perhaps the meaning of is lost on you. (It means sarcastic.)

Like any country there is a vast range of attitudes about many issues. If you make a generalisation and consider Australians only as aboriginal Australian rather than the invaders then yes you are on the money.

But this is due to the difficult circumstances of many aboriginal Australians. Sexual prejudice is more rightly the realm of poorly educated whose upbringing was dominated by patriarchal bigotry.

In circles where I mix the attitudes to sexual equality are extremely healthy.

Well said!

 

[Galaxiom]

I love it when Muslims debate. Their post do far more damage to the reputation of their faith than any atheist could ever hope to.

Let's watch Aziz dig a deeper hole in responding to this:

Mohammed tell us that men can have as many as four wives but a woman must be limited to one husband. Mohammed had at least a dozen wives, the youngest he married when she was six years old.

This is why Mohammed is known among the intelligent as "The Pedophile Prophet".

Also note that the girl's father was appointed by Mohammed as the first caliph essentially showing that he happily sold his daughter into child prostitution for his own gain.

 

[John Big Booty]

We are all born as Muslims, hence the word is revert i.e. we revert back to Islam.
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I wasn't. I was born a pastafarian, may we all be touched His Noodly Appendage.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Perhaps the meaning of is lost on you. (It means sarcastic.)

Like any country there is a vast range of attitudes about many issues. If you make a generalisation and consider Australians only as aboriginal Australian rather than the invaders then yes you are on the money.

But this is due to the difficult circumstances of many aboriginal Australians. Sexual prejudice is more rightly the realm of poorly educated whose upbringing was dominated by patriarchal bigotry.

In circles where I mix the attitudes to sexual equality are extremely healthy.

I was fully aware of sarcasm - its you who has missed it.

If sarcasm and stereotyping are OK for you to do for Muslims - then how come I cant do the Aussie stuff.

Probably cos your a typical bully. Your last few posts in relation to Aziz are disrespectful in the extreme.

 

[Galaxiom]

I was fully aware of sarcasm - its you who has missed it.

If sarcasm and stereotyping are OK for you to do for Muslims - then how come I cant do the Aussie stuff.

Probably cos your a typical bully. Your last few posts in relation to Aziz are disrespectful in the extreme.

I have not resorted to stereotyping. (sstteerreeoottyyppiinngg?)

All jokes aside:
I am not a bully. My comments are entirely in response to the arrogant bigotry as posted by Aziz. Moreover in my experience his behaviour is typical of Muslims who participate in internet forums.

Why should I have the slightest respect for someone who insults my intelligence by insisting that everyone is born a Muslim?

I am well aware that you are a devout religious apologist. Do you back the right of other fascists to be respected too?

 

[Galaxiom]

AnthonyGerrard: Perhaps while we wait for Aziz to respond you would like to explain how a six year old girl being married by her father to a mature man in exchange for promoting his own status does not amount to pedophilia and child prostitution.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I have not resorted to stereotyping. (sstteerreeoottyyppiinngg?)

All jokes aside:
I am not a bully. My comments are entirely in response to the arrogant bigotry as posted by Aziz. Moreover in my experience his behaviour is typical of Muslims who participate in internet forums.

Why should I have the slightest respect for someone who insults my intelligence by insisting that everyone is born a Muslim?

I am well aware that you are a devout religious apologist. Do you back the right of other fascists to be respected too?

I have no problem if he believes I was born Muslim - but I havent followed the religion. Its not something to be too worried about. ITs not a great insult. Just seems to be differing definitions thats all.

As for apologising for other fascists - you're the one with the negatives about black australians and muslims?

I'll leave it at that. Thanks.

 

[Galaxiom]

Your implication that I am a fascist is baseless. Perhaps you should look to the definition of a fascist and see how well that fits with the philosophy of the Abrahamic faiths.

My comments about indigenous Australians was stated as a response to your unqualified and blatantly racist remarks and in my stated context of the unfortunate circumstances that many have have found themselves in. However I will reiterate that it is a fact that traditional aboriginal values are deeply and fundamentally sexually prejudiced.

Religious apologists and those who uncritically applaud the values of "traditional" cultures refuse to acknowledge the prejudice embodied in these cultures. It is a big mistake.

The advance of Western society over the past two or three generations is largely as a result of adopting and responding to the very valid criticism of the way our cultures had treated women. Those who pretend that the same change in attitudes is not essential within religion and other sexist cultures do no favours to anybody.

The western cultures who have advanced the most are those who have responded to the criticisms and rejected both religion and sexual prejudices. This is not only because it generates a healthier attitude but because it emancipates women allowing them to make the tremendous social and economic contribution that we have come to enjoy.

 

[Newbie2012]

I clicked Atheist but if god appeared I would change my mind. As has already been said I have seen no convincing evidence that there is a god and I have seen a lot throughout life to convince me ot the truth of the statement that without religion good people do good things and bad people do bad things but with religion good people can do terrible things.

I have read "The God Delusion" and also "God is not Great" by Christopher Hitchens which I personally think is a better book.

That is really good. I like it. Yes we would all change our mind but it may be too late by then. I try alot to be a follower of Christ (Christian). Everyone has their own belief, and at the end of the end, no one really knows whats going to happen. But if its true, regardless of mankind knowing all or not, I would rather take my chances to believe its all true that God is all that He is...

Yes people can do good things without religion until they know more about it...its a choice, if you don't know more then it won't affect you. People will do what they know. Its a choice of free will. If you don't want it, you don't have to have it, if you want it you shall receive it...

 

[Brianwarnock]

?...But if its true, regardless of mankind knowing all or not, I would rather take my chances to believe its all true that God is all that He
it...

So you are a just in case believer?

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

Similarities between being Muslim and Australian then.

I took this as a joke , perhaps Aussies don't have a sense of humour, or it was too close to the truth.

Brian

 

[spikepl]

@Brian

Just in case? This is known as risk management.

 

[Dick7Access]

I find it all very funny.

 

[aziz rasul]

Although Islam is increasing in the West this is to a large extent due to migration and the higher birth rate among Muslims.

The number of reverts in the west has been increasing over several decades. I was not talking about immigrants.

I love it when Muslims debate. Their post do far more damage to the reputation of their faith than any atheist could ever hope to.

Those who revert back to Islam, will I’m sure disagree with you. When I read about Islam, my faith is increased not diminished. If it’s diminished in your eyes, that’s your affair.

Let's watch Aziz dig a deeper hole in responding to this:

Hmmm, why would you think that? If you don’t look into the details of what you say, then surely you can never understand what Islam is about. Those who are Muslims and those who among the non-Muslims whose hearts want to turn to the truth and want to get out of the deep hole and try to obtain the truth won’t think like you, where everything is automatically negative in Islam.

67. O Messenger! Proclaim the (message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord. If thou didst not, thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His mission. And Allaah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief). For Allaah guideth not those who reject Faith.
68. Say: O People of the Scripture! Ye have naught (of guidance) till ye observe the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto you from your Lord. That which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them. But grieve not for the disbelieving folk.
Qur’an - Surah al-Ma’aida (The Table Spread) 5:67-8 See also 7:2-3.

Mohammed tell us that men can have as many as four wives but a woman must be limited to one husband. Mohammed had at least a dozen wives, the youngest he married when she was six years old.

It is God who made the rule of a Muslim man marrying up to 4 women, not the Prophet (peace be upon him). When the verse was revealed he was already married to those wives you mentioned. He also married Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) when she was 16 and entered her husband’s home when she was 19. The hadith which mentions the ages less 10 years has error in it. Muslim historians were able to work the age according to events that took place when she was born etc. to establish her age.

Galaxiom, do you accept the Qur’an and hadith?

Also note that the girl's father was appointed by Mohammed as the first caliph

Wrong. Abu Bakr (May Allah be pleased with him) was chosen by his peers after the death of Muhammad (peace be upon him). He was actually nominated by Omar bib Khattab (May Allah be pleased with him).

Why should I have the slightest respect for someone who insults my intelligence by insisting that everyone is born a Muslim?

I simply gave you evidence from the Qur’an in regard to this. You don’t have accept anything I say.

 

[aziz rasul]

I try alot to be a follower of Christ (Christian).

I'm not convinced that Christians do actually follow Jesus (peace be upon him) correctly as he wished to be followed. For example did Jesus (peace be upon him) say he was the begotten son of God or that we should worship him?

116. And behold! Allaah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allaah'?” He will say: “Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
117. “Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
118. “If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise.”
119. Allaah will say: “This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are gardens, with rivers flowing beneath, - their eternal Home: Allaah well-pleased with them, and they with Allaah: That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires).
Qur’an - Surah al-Ma’aida (The Table Spread) 5:116-9

 

[Alc]

Galaxiom, do you accept the Qur’an and hadith?

Okay, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the answer to this one.