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We have seen it before. Warsaw 1944, when the Russian army patiently waited across the river while the Germans slaughtered the uprising. Rwanda in 1994, where up to a milliion lost their lives while the world did nothing. Then Srebrenica, where the UN's so-called safe-zone was used to collect 8500 males for slaughter., and the world did nothing.

And right now at this very moment today, we are just awaiting the fall of Kobane and the subsequent massacre. It's "only" a few thousand Kurds that will be killed today or withing a few days, while the wolrd watches through binoculars from across the Turkish border.

After the slaughter in Burma in 2007 and the cyclone disaster in 2008 (that soon got overshadowed by an earthquake in China) , where the authorities refused aid agencies, there were rumblings about R2P: Responsibility to protect http://www.responsibilitytoprotect.org/ - something the UN nations supposedly are obliged to. As if! Talk talk yakety yak!
 
I agree that the "world" is reluctant to involve itself in the internal conflicts of a nation. But should they jump in?
The U.S. is constantly criticized for a) interfering in other country's affairs too much, and b) not interfering in other country's affairs enough.
I don't know what's right.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
So in order to protect this abstract concept of "nation state" we sacrifice people as usual?


Douglas Adams was right - we deserve that Earth should be demolished to pave way for a hyperspace express route!
 
What would you do about it then?
 
Let the refugees out as a minimum, let the kurds wanting to fight in, clobber the "islamic" slimeballs with whatever it takes and sort out the repercussions later, when shooting is over and people are no longer getting killed.
 
/Quote Libre #2: Damned if you do, damned if you don't./quote:
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Bladerunner: Sounds about right. Its what the liberals wanted. Leave everybody (other nations) alone. "if we leave them alone, they will leave us alone'. I hear it all the time.

Well, got good news for you liberals. We in America have a pres. that cares only for his Ideology and how he can change the old America into a new one based on the values of the liberals; 'Feeeeeeeel Good emotions, Isolationism, Politically Correctness, wealth distribution, devoid of the Christian religion (all others are acceptable), etc., etc., etc.. His also has an isolationist type foreign policy that should satisfy every nation out there especially Russia and China. There will be no threat of reprisals from America should some nations be taken over by other nations. The same goes for religious cleansing especially in the Middle East), etc.

You Liberals ask for it, now you got it,,,,care to make another request?
 
Hey guys - This is something I have been following in the papers for a while now and I do honestly think we are fighting something that can be won. but doesn't want to be won....

A lot of accusations have been made towards Turkey for allowing ISIS to near enough take their borders which in turn will lead the borders to being shut and then leaving thousands upon millions of people trapped within its borders.

But i can't help but think that yet again the war doesn't want to be won... when they are defeated who will the next target be? before ISIS it was the Assad Regime in which we geared Rebels to fight which in turn turned out to be ISIS.

My best guess would be ISIS will be turned into a minority in which then the kurds will be the new threat as we have geared and funded them. So in reading all of these reports all i can think is that it will be a forever recurring incident for as long as we live.

Now I have even heard reports of the governments proposing to ally with the Assad Regime against ISIS .... that sounds like a wonderful idea, there will certainly be no bad blood there.

For as long as there is greed - there will be war , and by the looks of it greed is here to stay.
 
Hey, maybe we should introduce Ebola there, and see who wins, ISIS or the Virus, we can GMO the Virus so it only affects people holding guns, are Muslin, and read from the Quaran... :rolleyes:
 
Hey, maybe we should introduce Ebola there, and see who wins, ISIS or the Virus, we can GMO the Virus so it only affects people holding guns, are Muslin, and read from the Quaran... :rolleyes:

Been reports that they are trying to harness it actually... infect themselves (suicide bombers) and blow up thus - spreading the Virus over a large area - quite smart in terms of terror.

But i don't Genetically modifying it to attach cotton such as Muslin would help Scott ;)
 
Fellas, Your watching the possility of WWIII unfold in front of your eyes.

There is Russia and it conquest of parts of Ukraine which used to be part of the Soviet Socialist Republic. In taking the Crimean seaport and other parts of Ukraine he has effectively placed a foot on the neck of Europe through your use of Natural Gas. What happens if he shuts this off and remember he was former KGB.

Now China has raised its ugly head in the south China sea. They seem to claim the islands that Japan and they had gone to war over those so many years ago. They continue to increase their 600 ship navy, one plus million man army........ for what? No nation is threatening them. Not even Russia. A few years ago, someone (Russia or China) loosed an unarmed mssile within 400 miles (or less) of the California coast. WHY?

Of, course there is always North Koreans who have nuclear weapon(s). It has been discovered that they are working closely with Iran in making longer range missles for them. Of course Korea is a puppet of China but that does not diminish the fact that NK would rather destroy South Korea than allow it to remain a 'FREE" democratic society. While they do not have the ability to attack outside of that region, any kind of war in this region would upset the peace that has been here since the 1940's & 1950's and pull resources away from contries trying to defend them.

As far as the African warring countries, these are usually maintained within the particular country itself. An perpetual ethnic cleansing (civil war) one might say has been going on here for a long time.

Syria a western Asian country is cozy with Russia with them protecting its valuable seaport. No doubt in my opinion that Russia is supplying Bashar al-Assad with his fight against Ba'athist fractions and many others including ISIS.

Iran a country hell bent on getting a nuclear weapon will probably do so some time in the next two years. That is what I can surmise from all accounts I have read. While Iran is intent on the destruction of Israel, its real intent in my opinion is to have control over the other middle eastern countries such as Iraq, Sudia Arabia and numerous other smaller countries in the area. Rem, Iran is China backed or at least they are helping them obtain the WMDs. Why?

Iraq is a country doomed to fall to IS despite what bombing we do. The Kurds to the north have not the supplies to hold out very long and the Turkish government will not help them because of a long standing fight between them and the Kurds.

I do not know where it will go from here. Hopefully nowhere! It would be nice to have a button that just turns it all off but like a TV, you turn it off to escape the news of the outside world. Yet when you turn it back on the same news is still there. These threats will not go away and without someone to stand up and say that is enough they are going to get worse!

OconnerGiles stated somewhere that it was GREED that caused all of this. Yes, I agree but Greed was only the primer. POWER is the greatest destroyer of nations. With power there is wealth which takes care of the Greed.

Like dominos, when it starts all the above will fall in to claim a part of the spoils. We have a lot of power hungry nations and no policeman to stop or slow it down now or in the near future!
 
OconnerGiles stated somewhere that it was GREED that caused all of this. Yes, I agree but Greed was only the primer. POWER is the greatest destroyer of nations. With power there is wealth which takes care of the Greed.

Damn it! Connor ... O! It says it in my Display Name! in other news - yes greed can only be funded by power but the quest for power is also funded by greed - if people weren't greedy power wouldn't be a problem.

No word of a doubt that WWIII is unfolding before our eyes - but it has been for years ever since the unfolding of a nuclear bomb - everyone already knows - the next world war will be nuclear and the end of all human civilization because once one nuke is fired they all shall be, which is another reason it has taken so long to happen.

But all it takes...

Is ONE ....

Trigger...

Happy..

Sadist.

P.S. O'Connor Giles isn't too bad i may accept it - sounds heroic :cool:
 
Damn it! Connor ... O! It says it in my Display Name! in other news - yes greed can only be funded by power but the quest for power is also funded by greed - if people weren't greedy power wouldn't be a problem.

No word of a doubt that WWIII is unfolding before our eyes - but it has been for years ever since the unfolding of a nuclear bomb - everyone already knows - the next world war will be nuclear and the end of all human civilization because once one nuke is fired they all shall be, which is another reason it has taken so long to happen.

But all it takes...

Is ONE ....

Trigger...

Happy..

Sadist.

P.S. O'Connor Giles isn't too bad i may accept it - sounds heroic :cool:

Connor Giles, my apologies for the O at the beginning of your name. Hope I got it right this time.As far as Greed goes, Yes I agreed with you and stated that Greed was the Primer.

When I was growing up, it was under the umbrella that nuclear war was imminent. During the Cuban crisis in the early 60's we were probably about 5 to 10 minutes away from nuclear war with Russia. We really have not worried about the Nuclear weapons for the past 30 years at least like we did back then.

http://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK/JFK-in-History/Cuban-Missile-Crisis.aspx.

However, I do not agree with you that when one starts they will all start. Most likely it will begin and escalate in the middle east with Iran, Pakastan and Israel being at the forefront of the crisis. Should Iran keep their word (the trigger) and try to annihilate the Israeli people, Israel will respond in kind. I hope that Pakistan will refrain from entering the fray but who knows who their government is loyal to. I see no reason why any other Nucs should be fired since this area will become unlivable and its oil unusable. China, Russia and the USA all fully know whats happens in a Nuclear war, NO ONE WINS.

HOwever, the Islam/muslim faith in this reagion believing the this is what their God wants them to do have no idea what being hit by a Nuclear bomb is like so they will be the first to fire.

If Iran withholds their Nuc. (when they get one), it will shift the balance of power in the region. Saudia Arabia will have to have one, Egypt will have to have one, etc. etc. etc. This will bring in the US, Europe, Russia and China all on different sides. The reason. OIL. If nucs go off, the OIL is unusable. Europe will suffer and who is going to try and pick up the pieces. In the mean time, while everybody is dealing with the middle east, the far east becomes active and boom, you have a world war. All in the name of a Islamic Caliphate who is supposed to bring the end of the world to bear.

While I am not a Sadist, I do not believe looking at the world thru Rose Colored Glasses. These glasses and the people who wear them will be just as much at fault as will the trigger, when and if it is pulled.
 
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Originally Posted by Connor Giles #11
if people weren't greedy power wouldn't be a problem. /End Quote


Think of the bully at school. Sometimes he would want your lunch or your sweater. Maybe even sometimes he wanted your lunch money instead of your lunch but in the end he was just a bully and wanted power over you.
 
Connor Giles, my apologies for the O at the beginning of your name. Hope I got it right this time.As far as Greed goes, Yes I agreed with you and stated that Greed was the Primer.

No problems bud - just messing with you , call me what you like ;)


However, I do not agree with you that when one starts they will all start. Most likely it will begin and escalate in the middle east with Iran, Pakastan and Israel being at the forefront of the crisis. Should Iran keep their word (the trigger) and try to annihilate the Israeli people, Israel will respond in kind. I hope that Pakistan will refrain from entering the fray but who knows who their government is loyal to. I see no reason why any other Nucs should be fired since this area will become unlivable and its oil unusable. China, Russia and the USA all fully know whats happens in a Nuclear war, NO ONE WINS.

And this is where our opinions part ways , i believe there are too many allies/secret allies in this world for just a one off nuke - if we nuke one country - sure as hell they'll have an ally that will bomb us and then back and forth until extinction.

and by the way just because we know the repercussions doesn't mean we wont be targeted ?

as far as we know we could be the first to be targeted , and if one is fired at us , surely one shall be returned and so forth until the ultimatum i explained earlier.

HOwever, the Islam/muslim faith in this reagion believing the this is what their God wants them to do have no idea what being hit by a Nuclear bomb is like so they will be the first to fire.
I think this may be a case of someone whispering in their ears at night doom theories. Because what person in the right mind or be it a god wants to nuclear bomb its creations? I'm not religious but my word that is a silly idea.

If Iran withholds their Nuc. (when they get one), it will shift the balance of power in the region. Saudia Arabia will have to have one, Egypt will have to have one, etc. etc. etc. This will bring in the US, Europe, Russia and China all on different sides. The reason. OIL. If nucs go off, the OIL is unusable. Europe will suffer and who is going to try and pick up the pieces. In the mean time, while everybody is dealing with the middle east, the far east becomes active and boom, you have a world war. All in the name of a Islamic Caliphate who is supposed to bring the end of the world to bear.

Now this is something i get agitated about , why create something so destructive that once everyone has one its almost certain the end of the word. Why build WoMD's? as said before Greed for power, " I'm the one with the most nukes so i have the most power, bow to me" . Silliness will end this species and it has brought it upon itself. Good Riddance to those who created these attrocities.

While I am not a Sadist, I do not believe looking at the world thru Rose Colored Glasses. These glasses and the people who wear them will be just as much at fault as will the trigger, when and if it is pulled.

I am in the same boat, i do not see the sun shining out of the darkest places in a matter of speaking. It's a huge case of karma in my thoughts, Build the best weapon - die by it. "Live by the sword , Die by the sword".

Think of the bully at school. Sometimes he would want your lunch or your sweater. Maybe even sometimes he wanted your lunch money instead of your lunch but in the end he was just a bully and wanted power over you

And why would he take your lunch or money? GREED, he took your money , thats great but now he comes back for your lunch even though he has already eaten his... he got enough money from you to buy lunch but yes he wants power from you because hes greedy and cannot sustain himself on the spoils he captured from you the first time.

I agree Power is a big benefactor in war now a days but i do not believe that it is not funded by Greed because in the end - if we weren't greedy we would all stick to our own countries and live in peace.
 
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HOwever, the Islam/muslim faith in this reagion believing the this is what their God wants them to do have no idea what being hit by a Nuclear bomb is like so they will be the first to fire.

Reply by Connor, my bold
I think this may be a case of someone whispering in their ears at night doom theories. Because what person in the right mind or be it a god wants to nuclear bomb its creations? I'm not religious but my word that is a silly idea.

Try telling that to suicide bombers, they just want to get to paradise and be welcomed by high breasted virgins, the numbers differ.

Brian
 
Biggest sin in Islam is Murder - so if it does exist - good luck getting there buddy
 
I'm also with Blade in that it is power more than greed. Greed can be a factor in some people but power is the real driver.

Brian
 
Biggest sin in Islam is Murder - so if it does exist - good luck getting there buddy

What on earth makes you think that the people at the top of a religion follow its practices, that's for those they have power over.

Brian
 
I'm also with Blade in that it is power more than greed. Greed can be a factor in some people but power is the real driver.

Brian

See - opposite way round for me - as i said in my mind its "I agree Power is a big benefactor in war now a days but i do not believe that it is not funded by Greed because in the end - if we weren't greedy we would all stick to our own countries and live in peace."

I guess in the end they're both as bad as each other and will end up in the extinction of man-kind, but who cares when you can have oil.
 
What on earth makes you think that the people at the top of a religion follow its practices, that's for those they have power over.

Brian

Never said the leaders did ;) i know they don't , its more of a case of the old and bitter feed poison into the ears of the young and mindless and then they are sent to die.

Like Pawns in a game of chess , they are there but definitely nowhere near as important as the figures behind them.
 

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