Are you an atheist? (1 Viewer)

[Brianwarnock]

Hey, even some babel fish may only be able to translate certain languages

Are you saying that you don't understand my post?

Brian

 

[ConnorGiles]

Yes some ...

I will quote what Copi answered in regards to :

Per the traditional aphorism, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence", positive evidence of this kind is distinct from a lack of evidence or ignorance of that which should have been found already, had it existed.

The problem with the "Absence of Proof" technique is that it becomes Invalid once (credible) evidence is found. But since none has been I can (at this moment) safely say Jesus (Biblical sense) never existed.

 

[ConnorGiles]

Are you saying that you don't understand my post?

Brian

Not at all, I'm saying even some Babel fish must not work perfectly

 

[Frothingslosh]

Yes some ...

Example of Evidence of Absence:

I am not a murderer. I can only prove this by the lack of any evidence of my ever having killed anyone.

 

[ConnorGiles]

Example of Evidence of Absence:

I am not a murderer. I can only prove this by the lack of any evidence of my ever having killed anyone.

(If you have ever watched the TV series Hannibal you can relate)

What if you blacked out?

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Example of Evidence of Absence:

I am not a murderer.

Has any reasonable trained investigator looked into this? Otherwise this is really absence of evidence?!

 

[ConnorGiles]

Has any reasonable trained investigator looked into this? Otherwise this is really absence of evidence?!

Modus Tollens - Propositional Logic.

Living in Ferguson I would probably say he has been (I'm joking by the way)

 

[ConnorGiles]

All in all,

In my opinion as long as creationists use this moral :

“The book is true, and if evidence seems to contradict it, it is the evidence that must be thrown out not the book.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

(Relevant due to Alisa's first post)

Then we can never put our argument across without all of our plausible evidence being thrown away.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Has any reasonable trained investigator looked into this? Otherwise this is really absence of evidence?!

I received a Top Secret (TS/SCI, technically) clearance from the US government a few years back for my job.

So yes, you could say a competent investigator has gone through my background with a fine-toothed comb.

Which is moot. If you want to find evidence of me killing someone, it's up to you to find it.

Interestingly, in this exchange, I am the atheist (there's not a single piece of evidence), while you have taken the role of the theist (just because there's no evidence whatsoever, it doesn't mean you're not a spree-killer! Maybe you just need a better investigator!). I find that rather amusing.

 

[Bladerunner]

To Galaxiom: Did you read "Killing Jesus", the book?

You do know that it has nothing to do with religion but is an historical account of Jesus as a man and what happened to him.

The bible has been brought down for thousands of years yet you say it is inaccurate. are we talking Genesis and its inconstancies or other. Please name a few and lets debate these and see if :


Blade

 

[Galaxiom]

To Galaxiom: Did you read "Killing Jesus", the book?

You do know that it has nothing to do with religion but is an historical account of Jesus as a man and what happened to him.

No I have not read it but I am aware of the complete lack of credible historical evidence. It will have everything to do with religion and I am certainly no going to waste money buying it.

I have asked you to provide an example of its "evidence" for the existence of Jesus. Choose the one you think is best.

The bible has been brought down for thousands of years yet you say it is inaccurate.

So what if it has been brought down for thousands of years? Scribes copying BS is still BS. It doesn't prove it is true. In fact it is the refusal to reconsider any point in the light of new evidence that makes religions such a ridiculous anachronism.

are we talking Genesis and its inconstancies or other. Please name a few and lets debate these and see if

Sure, lets start at the beginning. Genesis has plants, including fruiting trees created on the third day, the Sun on the fourth while birds and fish were created on the fifth day. I should not need to explain why plants could not have lived without the Sun.

Moreover, flowering plants are a relatively recent evolutionary divergence. The first fish predate them by hundreds of millions of years.

 

[Bladerunner]

Galaxiom.

I just did and you have not read it.You are also using hearsay evidence as to its varsity instead of reading it yourself and yet, you claim it is all about religion. How do you know. [Can not a book be written about the man who happens to be the Pope without having any religion other than to mention that he became Pope of the Catholic Church at so and so time in history. Would you say this sentence is wroth with religious objectives. ?

No it is only history. There is no religion in the book. All accounts of the man named Jesus have been verified through historic records. I hope you are not saying these historical records are false or mislead someone who reads them.

It would be well worth you time and money to get the book.!

Have a good day my friend.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

1. If Jesus had existed, then there is evidence
somewhere.
2. There is no evidence of Jesus Anywhere.
3. Therefore, Jesus never existed.

"Modus Tollens"

http://killingjesusthebook.com/


Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

All in all,

In my opinion as long as creationists use this moral :



(Relevant due to Alisa's first post)

Then we can never put our argument across without all of our plausible evidence being thrown away.

got any of those perceived contradictions???????


Blade

 

[Galaxiom]

No it is only history. There is no religion in the book. All accounts of the man named Jesus have been verified through historic records. I hope you are not saying these historical records are false or mislead someone who reads them.

So there was a man named "Jesus"? One of them might even have been crucified.

But is there anything at all about a man named Jesus who could perform miracles (something surely worthy of mention)? Or anyone who could perform miracles?

No. Jesus Christ has no mention anywhere until about 80 AD. The claims of miracles arrive even later.

 

[Bladerunner]

No I have not read it but I am aware of the complete lack of credible historical evidence. It will have everything to do with religion and I am certainly no going to waste money buying it.

I have asked you to provide an example of its "evidence" for the existence of Jesus. Choose the one you think is best.

So what if it has been brought down for thousands of years? Scribes copying BS is still BS. It doesn't prove it is true. In fact it is the refusal to reconsider any point in the light of new evidence that makes religions such a ridiculous anachronism.

Sure, lets start at the beginning. Genesis has plants, including fruiting trees created on the third day, the Sun on the fourth while birds and fish were created on the fifth day. I should not need to explain why plants could not have lived without the Sun.

Moreover, flowering plants are a relatively recent evolutionary divergence. The first fish predate them by hundreds of millions of years.

What parts of Genesis are we talking about here. Genesis I or Genesis II or both?

Chapter one is Chronological and Chapter 2 is from mans perspective.

The fruiting trees and the flowering plants are totally biologically different and were created at different times.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

So there was a man named "Jesus"? One of them might even have been crucified.

But is there anything at all about a man named Jesus who could perform miracles (something surely worthy of mention)? Or anyone who could perform miracles?

No. Jesus Christ has no mention anywhere until about 80 AD. The claims of miracles arrive even later.

OK, now we have established a man named Jesus lived at the same time period the Bible says he did, was hated and feared by the roman church ( the Bible says this a s well)and was therefore crucified because of the Church . Is this right??????? if so, then the Bible which is religious contains all the stories of the the miracles he performed and I would consider them to be true.

Jesus died somewhere around 33-36 AD. There are twenty-seven books in the New Testament (all put together around 300AD) most all of them written around 50-60 AD. Now thirty years is a long time to write a book but even today with all of our technology, it takes several years to write one.

New Material:
Published on October, 4, 2014, the article about Jesus’ miracles is entitled, “Newly-Found Document Holds Eyewitness Account of Jesus Performing Miracle.” The article then goes on to explain that a modern historian made a remarkable discovery while searching through the archives of the Vatican.

“An Italian expert studying a first century document written by the Roman historian Marcus Velleius Paterculus that was recently discovered in the archives of the Vatican, found what is presumed to be the first eyewitness account ever recorded of a miracle of Jesus Christ. The author describes a scene that he allegedly witnessed, in which a prophet and teacher that he names Iēsous de Nazarenus, resuscitated a stillborn boy and handed him back to his mother…. Upon entering town, Jesus would have visited the house of a woman named Elisheba, who had just given birth to a stillborn child. Jesus picked up the dead child and uttered a prayer in Aramaic to the heavens, which unfortunately the author describes as ‘immensus’, meaning incomprehensible. To the crowd’s surprise and amazement, the baby came back to life almost immediately, crying and squirming like a healthy newborn.”
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Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1523891/je...rcus-velleius-paterculus/#t3T3oWR4WyeHxuHK.99

Blade

 

[ConnorGiles]

got any of those perceived contradictions???????


Blade

I would only have to scroll back a few pages maybe not even that.

You are guilty of the quote I mentioned, Evidence is Evidence. Evidence is needed to prove fact.

You proclaim facts without evidence which disproves your fact as an opinion.

 

[ConnorGiles]

http://killingjesusthebook.com/


Blade

I wouldn't count on a book wrote by Roman Catholics who were brought up in religious schools to be a non-bias source. I would like to hear these facts via someone without the religious bias.

I'm not saying "A" Jesus never lived. I'm sure he did. But the Jesus to which you refer. Highly doubtful.

Absence of Evidence is not Evidence, Evidence of Absence sadly for you "IS" Evidence.

 

[ConnorGiles]

I received a Top Secret (TS/SCI, technically) clearance from the US government a few years back for my job.

So yes, you could say a competent investigator has gone through my background with a fine-toothed comb.

Which is moot. If you want to find evidence of me killing someone, it's up to you to find it.

Interestingly, in this exchange, I am the atheist (there's not a single piece of evidence), while you have taken the role of the theist (just because there's no evidence whatsoever, it doesn't mean you're not a spree-killer! Maybe you just need a better investigator!). I find that rather amusing.

No skeletons in Frothy's closet!