Are you an atheist?

[Bladerunner]

This comes up all the time - on a mass basis Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin. Of course they aren't proper atheists - only religious folk are capable of such terrible crimes.

What is a proper Atheist??????????

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

I've been pointing that out too.

I believe the pointing out was about homosexuality and transgender....Now I got to hear this one (excuse me read you r answer here.... Tell me about the transgender and the homosexual. Be sure to include all the differences.

Yeah, I'm going to believe a RELIGIOUS organization is going to complete or report about an unbiased study... Try again. complete or report about an unbiased study... Try again.

Any experiment they complete on this will immediately be flawed by the expectation of outcome they have already perceived.

Now that is what I knew you were going to say. I guess articles from your side are not biased????????????/ This is what I have been saying all along. Depends on whether you are an Atheist or a Christian as to the articles you believe and stand beside.

We are not getting anywhere here fellas!

Blade.

 

[Bladerunner]

I always love when people bring up these single three people as examples of atheists who commited attrocities. Their atheism was not instrumental in their ruthlessness. I would write a long explanation, but this sums it up pretty well:

http://www.skepticink.com/tippling/...atheism-hitlerstalinpol-pot-atheism-atrocity/

"Commonality is not causation."

What do you mean their atheism was not a factor in their behavior or ruthlessness. They had no morals or threw what they had (if any) out when they became 'Atheist'.

Ah,,,,, an agnostic atheist..............is this cause for a bias?

 

[Bladerunner]

No, because the same atrocities of the holy books are exalted as evidence for a supreme deity that we must appease through worship.

All so called religious extremists are able to directly justify their actions through the precedents presented in the holy books.

The Abrahamic religions are fundamentally fascist philosophies that have no place in any discussion of morality.

Hey Galaxiom, long time no (See).... I do wish you would at least give us the courtesy of naming the religion extremist in question. (Christians, Islamist, other)
That way I know who you are talking about. and No we are not the same.

When has the Christians in modern times killed anyone in the name of God?

You have got to let the Abrahamic thing go. This was in the early years of man before any laws were laid down by God. What you read in the Bible is the account of what happened during those years in Gods own words and given to Moses, many years after Abraham had died.

Blade

 

[Brianwarnock]

I believe the pointing out was about homosexuality and transgender....Now I got to hear this one (excuse me read you r answer here.... Tell me about the transgender and the homosexual. Be sure to include all the differences.


We are not getting anywhere here fellas!

Blade.

I'm sure that you are not as ignorant as you are painting yourself, but just incase I would suggest you do some research, you can start here

http://tgmentalhealth.com/2009/12/2...he-transgender-and-the-gaylesbian-experience/

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

What do you mean their atheism was not a factor in their behavior or ruthlessness. They had no morals or threw what they had (if any) out when they became 'Atheist'.

Ah,,,,, an agnostic atheist..............is this cause for a bias?

So atheist equates to no morals
And
Theist equates to very moral

You need to get out more

BRIAN

 

[Bladerunner]

I'm sure that you are not as ignorant as you are painting yourself, but just incase I would suggest you do some research, you can start here

http://tgmentalhealth.com/2009/12/2...he-transgender-and-the-gaylesbian-experience/

Brian

I just wanted to hear it from you....you know,,,,your version.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

So atheist equates to no morals
And
Theist equates to very moral

You need to get out more

BRIAN

Where did you get your morals from,,,,,Not a TRUE atheist I can assure you.

 

[Bladerunner]

http://tgmentalhealth.com/2009/12/2...he-transgender-and-the-gaylesbian-experience/

Brian give me this and I have a problem with it. No,,,,I am not going to get into this, It is TMI.

To be frank, they are both the same with the exception of the Gay person not have to dress for the opposite sex. They are both homosexuals pure and simple.

Blade

 

[Brianwarnock]

http://tgmentalhealth.com/2009/12/2...he-transgender-and-the-gaylesbian-experience/

Brian give me this and I have a problem with it. No,,,,I am not going to get into this, It is TMI.

To be frank, they are both the same with the exception of the Gay person not have to dress for the opposite sex. They are both homosexuals pure and simple.

Blade

Does that first sentence mean that you are not going to read it as it has Too Much Information? I guess you are going to remain ignorant and bigoted all your life.
You ask for my explanation , well here is a simple attempt with no scientific explanations to upset you

A homosexual wants to go to bed with the same sex
A transgendered wants to go to bed AS the opposite sex.

But I suppose you will just bury your head in that book of myths and legends.

Brian

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I am now ABSOLUTELY aghast that in this modern day and age, there are folks around who still cling to the outmoded and totally false idea that religion = morality and no religion = immorality.

You get morality from the society around you and from your family. If your family forces you to church, you are exposed to morality via peer pressure in that church group. The truth is, however, that religious morality merely is a CONTRIBUTOR, not the sole cause, of societal morality.

Buddhists do not necessarily believe in a divine being - particularly the Theravada denomination. Yet Buddhists are EXTREMELY moral. According to Christians, if you don't believe in God (i.e. you are atheist), you must be immoral - but Buddhists are among the most moral groups I have ever met.

What do you mean their atheism was not a factor in their behavior or ruthlessness. They had no morals or threw what they had (if any) out when they became 'Atheist'.

Morality and religion happen to coincide but are not necessarily cause-and-effect. An equally valid possibility is that they have a common cause - societal pressure. In the pre-Adamite culture, there was no Abrahamic religion. It was more animistic in nature, if our anthropologists are correct. In that case, people who behaved in a way that was detrimental to the tribe were ejected and force to live or die on their own. And a formalized religion was one early way to teach societal morality. They used the ideas of a set of vengeful spirits to help reinforce their morality. (Sounds like any book we've ever heard of before???)

To me, the holy books could be the EFFECT of societal morality rather than its cause.

 

[Bladerunner]

Does that first sentence mean that you are not going to read it as it has Too Much Information? I guess you are going to remain ignorant and bigoted all your life.
You ask for my explanation , well here is a simple attempt with no scientific explanations to upset you

A homosexual wants to go to bed with the same sex
A transgendered wants to go to bed AS the opposite sex.

But I suppose you will just bury your head in that book of myths and legends.

Brian

Brian,,,you Wounduth me,,,,,,,Bigoted (Hater)??????Ignorant (should read all articles sent to me)

TMI was I was not going to discuss it on this forum. However, they are both homosexuals regardless of how you want to CLASS them. Is that not the LBGT is for?????????. To put a class on them.

Will a Homosexual go out with a transgender?????

Believe it or not I am up on the terms. They are living a lifestyle considered a sin by God and the Bible thus their Atheism. Sorry, I am not a Hater of these people. As I said before, it really does not matter to me who they sleep with as long as they don't try and throw it down my throat!

I do find it interesting that it takes a shrink to understand them. There are a lot of people out there that have abnormalities. Is why we call it mental health.

(i.e. Discussions of Mental Health Issues for Gender Variant and Transgender Individuals, Friends and Family with posts by NYC Psychotherapist Ami B. Kaplan, LCSW.)



Blade

 

[Vassago]

Pro Israeli , Anti Israeli -----What religion is this? Yeah, Saddam Hussian was a dictator and a ruthless killer who was an Radical Islamist. Rem, both Radical and Islamist do not believe in Jesus (non-believer) because only through him can you reach the Father. P.s. Saddam was a Sunni Muslim , the same as Saudi Arabia practices.

ISIS leader said the other day there is no excuse for Muslims not to join the battle against "infidels," declaring, "Islam was never a religion of peace. Islam is the religion of fighting."

Blade

Saddam didn't commit his crimes based on religion as far as I remember. His was more driven by greed and power, which are definitely the leading causes of most conflicts. Some of that greed and power is religiously motivated in many historical and present day wars.

TMI was I was not going to discuss it on this forum. However, they are both homosexuals regardless of how you want to CLASS them. Is that not the LBGT is for?????????. To put a class on them.

This is NOT true. Transgenders identify as the opposite sex, regardless of their preferred orientation. Homosexuals are attracted to someone of the same identified sex. Someone can be transgender and still be attracted to either or both sexes. They are not mutually exclusive. I know plenty of them.

Now that is what I knew you were going to say. I guess articles from your side are not biased????????????/ This is what I have been saying all along. Depends on whether you are an Atheist or a Christian as to the articles you believe and stand beside.

We are not getting anywhere here fellas!

Blade.

Typically, if I post an article, I'm going to ensure the study taht is completed is not biased with a desired outcome, so yes.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Blade
Bigotry is to do with intolerance not hate, no wonder we are getting nowhere you speak your own language.

Brian

 

[Bladerunner]

Saddam didn't commit his crimes based on religion as far as I remember. His was more driven by greed and power, which are definitely the leading causes of most conflicts. Some of that greed and power is religiously motivated in many historical and present day wars.

[/QUOTE]

Yes it was in part. His power was of the socialist Ba’athist party. He was a Sunni Muslim which is probably is why he do all those atrocities to the Shites. This was religious but the majority of his thinking was greed and power. He invaded countries and killed millions and yet he did very little harm to Christians.

Of, Course ISIS, also Sunni (Wahabbi) kill Christians and other sects of Islam (Shites) who they consider non-believers. This is now a religious war that will only end one way.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Blade
Bigotry is to do with intolerance not hate, no wonder we are getting nowhere you speak your own language.

Brian

Over hear it is a little different.. A bigot is as you say intolerant to the point of being a hater.

Fortunately, I am neither.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Let me say one more thing on the topic of being a bigot. Some of you will say I am a bigot toward LBGT but here in the USA, just the fact that I disagree with them makes me intolerant and a hater automatically. It does not matter if I work with those that are part of this group, it is the fact that I disagree.

This is the same with the racist charge and of course simply being a Christian means I am bigoted and hate all groups included Atheism.

No, we are not using the same language anymore.

Blade

 

[Vassago]

As a Christian, I'm sure you believe we are ALL sinners, correct? In fact, the Bible is pretty clear that all sins are created equal in the eyes of God. It doesn't matter if you lie to your father or kill your neighbor. These are the same to God.

There is also something else that was very clear; Jesus treated everyone with compassion regardless of their sins. This is why he saved the prostitute from being stoned. He saw people as people. He didn't think anyone was above or below someone, regardless of their actions or choices that might have led them to "sinning." To be Christian is to be Christ-like. To think of someone as homosexual as less than someone heterosexual while ignoring your own sins would be as far from Christian as I can imagine.

Also, doing someone for someone else just because you don't agree with their sins while again, ignoring that you are also a sinner, is just as deplorable and Unchristian. It's one thing to say you won't bake a cake for a gay wedding, it's another thing entirely to be refuse service unrelated to their sin to someone because of their sins. You're a sinner too! All sins are equal. You've just defied Jesus, ironically, on the grounds "of your religious beliefs."

Also, you keep mentioning transgender, but the Bible doesn't really cover transgender as being a sin. It's rather fascinating really that they are grouped in with the so-called sins of homosexuals when simply being the wrong sex physically at birth has nothing to do with your orientation. Are they really sinning because they dress as another sex? Who or what decided what clothes belonged to what sex?

This post is not directed at anyone, I'm speaking in general. I'm curious on feedback.

 

[Bladerunner]

As a Christian, I'm sure you believe we are ALL sinners, correct? In fact, the Bible is pretty clear that all sins are created equal in the eyes of God. It doesn't matter if you lie to your father or kill your neighbor. These are the same to God..

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Here you are wrong. all sins are not equal in God's eyes. However, if you do lie to your father or steal something then a trend is emerging that will likely to give you a lifetime of problems sometimes leading to the very sins that are punishable by eternal death. kidnapping, adultery, Murder. Of course you can always repent and ask for forgiveness.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Vassago have a question for you?

If a transgender male wants to be a women and dresses like a woman right? Now, HIS (still has a penis) sexual orientation is to men. It is still homosexuality.

If a transgender male wants to be a woman and dresses like a woman right????? Now, HIS (still has a penis) sexual orientation is to women. It is normal, a little kinky but a man and woman.

Using a woman would simply the same for her.

Is this a fair observation?

Blade