Are you an atheist?

Are you an atheist?


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See, told you we'd get some long, drawn-out, self-contradictory gibberish trying to explain how Jesus didn't really didn't mean it when he said that people who didn't help the needy were going to Hell.

It's just sad that Blade can't see how deluded and self-contradictory his pathetic excuses for arguments are.

Some day, Blade, you really do need to face up to the fact that you have read the message of your own savior, and you have rejected it. You are, by any definition of the words, both heretic and apostate, and you're too deluded to even realize it.
 
Concerning the existence of Jesus Christ as a divine being, who is nowadays referred to by some, as God, or the Son of God.

This is a problem for me. Please don't write lengthy paragraphs explaining it. It won't help. I just want to explain my own position on the topic.

I can accept that there was a man named Jesus Christ. I can accept some of the fables and stories, even though they may be made up - they MIGHT be true. Not the part about resurrection, or immaculate conception, miracles and other supernatural events - but all the worldly stuff might be true. There was a Jewish man (a rabbi, actually) named Jesus. Judaism was already an ancient religion, having existed for thousands of years at the time. Jesus started preaching about a new religion, about his father, about how to be in life to others, how to worship, etc, and a lot of people followed him. On the other hand, this may have all been made up centuries after he was supposed to have lived. But I'm not tackling that question here. Just supposed he actually lived.

As a Jew, I went to Hebrew School as a child, enough to receive a Bar Mitzvah on my 13th birthday. I went to Hebrew School for 5 years, and was required to attend Sabbath services every week.

In the Jewish religion, one thing is stressed beyond all other things - that there is ONE and ONLY ONE God. Recall that Judaism is one of the oldest religions in the world. The other ancient religions worshipped many divinities - a god for the Sun, a different god of the Dead, a different one for thunder, etc. But the Jews didn't subscribe to this - they did, and still do, worship a single Creator.

The most important prayer in all of Judaism is called "the Shema". It goes like this:
Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Eḥad

and the translation:
Hear, O Israel: the LORD is our God, the LORD is One.

This prayer is bellowed out at least once if not more, at every Jewish religious service.

The LORD is ONE. Very serious about that. ONE.

And that's one of the problems I have with accepting Jesus Christ as my savior (another other one is I'm an atheist/agnostic and have no belief in divinity at all). But if I did, I would worship the one and only GOD - not his son, mother, holy spirit, or third cousin twice removed.

The LORD is ONE. Very important concept to we Jewish folk. Even we non-believers.

Christianity teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, not actually God himself, who created the universe and everything in it. Then there is the Holy Trinity, which includes the Spirit or Holy Ghost. Now I'm counting three. Three is two more than one (in case your arithmetic is rusty).

And that is why it is not possible for observant Jews - the Chosen People - to accept Jesus Christ as God.

Now the "messiah" that we've been waiting for forever - that has me thoroughly confused. Don't ask me what the Messiah is supposed to represent. I think they keep this stuff confusing, to keep everybody guessing about what it all means.

No question? No reply!

Hope you have a nice evening, Sir

Blade
 
(The Holy Ghost doesn't show up until the Middle Ages - I don't remember where, but about a month ago, I saw an interesting article suggesting that it was invented by an unusually obsessive monk in order be 3 beings, since 3 was considered a mystical number.) Basically, that they are three facets of a single being.
Frothy you did not ask a question but you did have a wrong assumption.

The Holy Ghost is present in Genesis 1:2.....And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The Spirit of God is the Holy Ghost.

Have a great day buddy!

Blade
 
I believe I would be careful not to commit 'blasphemy against the Holy Spirit'. It is an unpardonable sin. Matthew 12:31....."Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.


Please be very careful.

Have a Great evening...The rain here is almost over.

Blade
 
The Holy Trinity is a construct of Catholic origin (which means that, as the AntiChrist, Blade should actually be opposing it) meant to reconcile Jesus and God against the idea that there is only one god.
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Creation of Universe
God(Father): Psalm 102:25
Christ (The Son): Colossians 1: 16 , John 1: 1 - 3
Holy Spirit : Genesis 1: 2, Job 26: 13

Creation of Man
God(Father): Genesis 2: 7
Christ (The Son): Collassians 1: 16
Holy Spirit : JOB 33: 4

Incarnation
God(Father): Hebrews 10: 5
Christ (The Son): Philippians 2: 7
Holy Spirit : Luke 1: 35

Death of Christ
God(Father): Psalm 22: 15, Romans 8:32, John 3: 16
Christ (The Son): John 10: 18, Galatians 2: 20
Holy Spirit : Hebrews 9: 14

* These facts attributed to Khouse.org

The above events in the Bible are attributed to each of the above, The Trinity. Since the Father(God) and Holy Spirit started it in Genesis and the Son (Jesus Christ) would come later.

Far be it from me to think that the Catholic leaders would try to take all the credit...However both them and You, Frothy are WRONG!

Frothy,,,,,there are another 29 of these events that are attributed to all three and hundreds of Plural vs Singularity of the Godhead..

Have a Blessed day, everybody deserves one every now and then..

Blade
 
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See, told you we'd get some long, drawn-out, self-contradictory gibberish trying to explain how Jesus didn't really didn't mean it when he said that people who didn't help the needy were going to Hell.

It's just sad that Blade can't see how deluded and self-contradictory his pathetic excuses for arguments are.

Some day, Blade, you really do need to face up to the fact that you have read the message of your own savior, and you have rejected it. You are, by any definition of the words, both heretic and apostate, and you're too deluded to even realize it.

It is very obvious that you did not read it Frothy yet you cut it.
 
Oh, I read it. I found it to be self-contradictory, poorly-written idiocy bordering on gibberish, but I did waste a couple of minutes of my life reading that tripe.

And since when is pointing out to you that you believe the exact OPPOSITE of what Jesus says in the Bible 'blaspheming against the Holy Ghost'? Hubris much?
 
See, told you we'd get some long, drawn-out, self-contradictory gibberish trying to explain how Jesus didn't really didn't mean it when he said that people who didn't help the needy were going to Hell.

It's just sad that Blade can't see how deluded and self-contradictory his pathetic excuses for arguments are.

Some day, Blade, you really do need to face up to the fact that you have read the message of your own savior, and you have rejected it. You are, by any definition of the words, both heretic and apostate, and you're too deluded to even realize it.
Like I said - you could look at a quote along the lines of "...and Jesus said that the sky was blue" and someone would find a way to interpret that as:
> literal (the sky IS blue
> somehow meaning the opposite - as Jesus was quite the tricky little monkey and liked to talk in riddles
> having a hidden meaning along the lines of "we can only have clear skies ahead of us if we stop giving help to the poor and needy"

There was an old game who in the UK called 321 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckf_6GiLO1E
It was famous for very cryptic and - the host admitted years later - bullsh*t clues. I imagine old JC could have fit right in as a presenter.
 
This is what I don't get. How the heck were the contemporary audience to these parables supposed to reference other chapters of the Bible? Were these teachings meaningless without such a cross reference?

Occam's Razor springs to mind.
 
This is what I don't get. How the heck were the contemporary audience to these parables supposed to reference other chapters of the Bible? Were these teachings meaningless without such a cross reference?

Occam's Razor springs to mind.
Ah, but does it not say in Magnificent:7 that the lord our God likes to test our faith? If there were any sort of proof, faith would be unnecessary.
Oceans:11 and Rocky:3 also both speak of this.
 
This is what I don't get. How the heck were the contemporary audience to these parables supposed to reference other chapters of the Bible? Were these teachings meaningless without such a cross reference?

Occam's Razor springs to mind.

Hi Dan Cat: In Luke 8:9-10 Jesus told his disciples. " And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand."

The Others includes you Dan-Cat.

To correct this,,all you have to do is give your heart to him. It is that Simple!

Have a great day.

Blade
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Hi Dan Cat: In Luke 8:9-10 Jesus told his disciples. " And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand."

The Others includes you Dan-Cat.

To correct this,,all you have to do is give your heart to him. It is that Simple!

Have a great day.

Blade
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That is a clear misinterpretation of what he is saying. He says MIGHT not see. Not WILL NOT see.

Just a few verses before it says: When he said this, he called out, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”

It is clear that he is saying that the message behind his parables can be understood there and then by the people he is talking to. Not that the message is deliberately convoluted and can only be interpreted by self-proclaimed Bible scholars like yourself. Seriously the tripe that people like you come up with is extremely dangerous.
 
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Like I said - you could look at a quote along the lines of "...and Jesus said that the sky was blue" and someone would find a way to interpret that as:
> literal (the sky IS blue
> somehow meaning the opposite - as Jesus was quite the tricky little monkey and liked to talk in riddles
> having a hidden meaning along the lines of "we can only have clear skies ahead of us if we stop giving help to the poor and needy"

There was an old game who in the UK called 321 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckf_6GiLO1E
It was famous for very cryptic and - the host admitted years later - bullsh*t clues. I imagine old JC could have fit right in as a presenter.

Yeah, it's amazing how many people think "help others" is some kind of dreadfully obscure koan.
 
This is what I don't get. How the heck were the contemporary audience to these parables supposed to reference other chapters of the Bible? Were these teachings meaningless without such a cross reference?

Occam's Razor springs to mind.

Well, you see, JC wasn't teaching the people of his time. They could all go to Hell for all he cared. It was far more important that everything be put right so that when people started writing down what he said 100-300 years later, they make everything just obscure enough that Bladerunner could dazzle us with his bullshit.

JUMPING JESUS ON A POGO STICK, I THINK I SOLVED THE CODE!!!
 
DAn-Cat..... read on through verse John 8: 1-18 at least. It tells what you are asking.

One can hear but not hear?

have a good day

Blade
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DAn-Cat..... read on through verse John 8: 1-18 at least. It tells what you are asking.

One can hear but not hear?

have a good day

Blade
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I read on to verse 31

31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

When you say matters are simple, you need to heed your own advice.

Jesus is clearly stating that you must FOLLOW his teachings to know the truth. If I believed Jesus was the Christ and he told me that directly, I would most certainly not be seeking out a differing interpretation to the parable of the goats than the most obvious. Support those say, who don't have health insurance. Something that Obama has done.

What you are doing is even worse. Trying to convince people that his teachings (parables) are not what they are appear to be through a desire to claim a higher understanding than others and reject the clear path that Jesus is asking you to take. Very, very dangerous ground for a believer.
 
Five gets you ten he answers with another bible quote, as opposed to a straight response.
 
You know, sometimes I wonder if Bladerunner is really just a two-years-and-counting experiment in Applied Poe's Law.
 
Well, you see, JC wasn't teaching the people of his time. They could all go to Hell for all he cared. It was far more important that everything be put right so that when people started writing down what he said 100-300 years later, they make everything just obscure enough that Bladerunner could dazzle us with his bullshit.

JUMPING JESUS ON A POGO STICK, I THINK I SOLVED THE CODE!!!

Jesus was crucified in 32 AD and the New Testament was written around 70 AD.


Hope you have a little better day

Blade
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