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I'm sorry to disagree with you @Jon, but he is the President of the United States.
I don't think he is "goofing around", he is speaking to the nation, and lots of people are listening to him. If he wants to "think outside the box" he should do it off-air, not while addressing the nation.

If you can point me to the bit where he says "I'm just kidding with you folks" I'll take it all back.
I'm not expecting perfection, just some semblance of understanding of the weight his actions carry.
And Biden isn't president. Just a candidate. If he were and spouting such nonsense I guarantee I would be just as critical.
 
The world craves socialist leaders. Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel, Justin Trudeau and Barack Obama just to name a few. If for some reason that doesn't happen their power structure is threaten. The aim is to keep the G-7 as socialist as possible. The lame stream media is complicit in this agenda.

Hence the push back on The Donald.
 
AccessBlaster said:
The world craves socialist leaders. Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel, Justin Trudeau and Barack Obama just to name a few. If for some reason that doesn't happen their power structure is threaten. The aim is to keep the G-7 as socialist as possible. The lame stream media is complicit in this agenda.

Hence the push back on The Donald.
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Which part of the world has those cravings?
Not one of those politicians you listed is a socialist.
In fact Macron and Merkel are both centre-right. And your comments about G7 and the media are themselves lame.
Perhaps you are just doing another wind-up but you do love talking absolute nonsense.
 
People want something for nothing, so socialism will always remain popular. Capitalism has it strengths in terms of employment. But ultimately neither is perfect. Nothing is
 
Now trump says he was asking a sarcastic question to the reporters in the room just to see what happens.
 
Minty said:
And Biden isn't president. Just a candidate. If he were and spouting such nonsense I guarantee I would be just as critical.
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Biden isn't simply "Just a candidate", he is potentially a future president (at this point in the political process). So if you condemn Trump for spouting such nonsense now, as president, then Biden deserves equal scrutiny. You don't wait till the guy gets into office to then condmen him or her. By then its too late.
 
Minty said:
I'm sorry to disagree with you @Jon, but he is the President of the United States.
I don't think he is "goofing around", he is speaking to the nation, and lots of people are listening to him. If he wants to "think outside the box" he should do it off-air, not while addressing the nation.
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No need to be sorry Minty. Half the people agree with me, half disagree. Such is the nature of these things. Ultimately, the electorate can oust their leader if on aggregate they do not like them.
 
AccessBlaster said:
Lol, that is left for Europe.
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Have you completely lost the plot?

Steve R. said:
Biden isn't simply "Just a candidate", he is potentially a future president (at this point in the political process). So if you condemn Trump for spouting such nonsense now, as president, then Biden deserves equal scrutiny. You don't wait till the guy gets into office to then condmen him or her. By then its too late.
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For once I agree with you.
I condemn any politician who spouts nonsense. However in that respect, Trump is in a class of his own.
 
Trump did not kill them, wow. He made it available based on a French study. He cut red tape as a "right to try". Hes cutting bureaucrat red tape everywhere not just in Hydroxychloroquine. And that's what really bugs you right? Well that and Hillary's Email.
 
Minty said:
And the masterful font of all knowledge strikes again. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...g-disinfectant-as-covid-19-treatment-11977958
Is he on some form of medical treatment to make himself so completely stupid?
(Possibly he's been injecting bleach?)
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Once again, Trump has made an inopportune remark. Those with TDS immediately seized on it as proof for their point of view. Once again they hysterically scream we have Trump now!

Meanwhile, the person who they hope to replace Trump with, Biden makes remarks that demonstrate an amazing amount of bravado that displays the very faults those with TDS are accusing Trump of. Joe Biden's latest ad said Trump 'rolled over for the Chinese' on coronavirus, and people are calling it racist and xenophobic.
Many criticized the ad's rhetoric, calling it racist and xenophobic on Twitter, saying that it parroted Republicans' anti-China talking points and stood to harm Asian Americans who have already faced harassment as a result of the pandemic.
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It positions Biden as his hypothetical foreign policy foil, showing a clip of Biden saying, "I would be on the phone with China making it clear: We are going to need to be in your country. You have to be open. You have to be clear. We have to know what's going on." (empahsis added)
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So those with TDS claim that Trump is a warmonger and a xenophobe. When Biden says:"We are going to need to be in your country." that sounds like an arrogant call to war. You (China) must do what we demand or else. So here we have a presidential candidate who is simply trying to outdo Trump's supposed warmongering and xenophobia. Those with TDS may not like Trump, your call; but do really want a weak unimaginative person who simply mimics Democratic falsehoods concerning Trump, by making those claims his. (PS. That almost seems like plagiarism, stealing someone else's original stuff and making it your own because you lack original thought. Joe Biden Caught Lying On Camera, Plagiarizing Other Politicians' Speeches.)

Based on Biden's supposed promises, if China does not acquiesce to US power; Biden (to prove that he is a real he-man ready to take on the backyard bully in a fist fight), will go to war with China. Is that a better alternative to Trump?
 
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I know that sometimes I have come to DJT's defense. Regarding whether I support DJT... I have stated this many times.

I voted for Donald Trump with one hand (because we have electronic push-button voting machines in Louisiana). But the other hand was holding my nose and my mouth so I wouldn't throw up on the machine. The only choices I saw were "the Donald" or Hillary or a bunch of hopeless 3rd party candidates. Voting for the 3rd party gang guaranteed to dilute the vote against Hillary. I said it before and I'll say it again. I didn't necessarily vote FOR DJT but I absolutely DID vote against HRC.

Her involvement in Whitewater scandals back when she and Bill were still in Arkansas already marked her as shady. The 13 deaths that cannot be attributed to the Clintons but cannot be attributed anywhere else either? More frosting on that cake. Then her "healthcare" plan that Bill Clinton tried to get passed during his term in office... was extreme at that time and would have bankrupted the country. SHE was the author of that bill. Fast forward to her involvement with being the in the back pocket of "big Pharma" ; toss in her TOTAL mishandling of Benghazi, sprinkle in her TOTAL disregard for national security. Liberally (no pun intended) sprinkle in the overtones of The Clinton Foundation, which was a radical influence-peddling scheme, and I simply could not tolerate the idea of her being elected. So the only solution was to vote for Trump because he was the only candidate who had the shot at knocking her out of public office. My support was therefore based on restricted choice.

Trump is cringe-worthy even on good days. And yet, knowing now how things have gone, I have to say I still would have voted for him in order to keep Hillary out. He isn't entirely bad. Though there are people who would object to this viewpoint, he has finally called to task a lot of countries who were relying on the wealth of the USA to keep their countries from having to actually do more to protect themselves. There were unfair trade agreements that had more holes than a Swiss cheese. (NOTE: That is neither a slam of the Swiss people nor a slam of Swiss cheese, which I happen to like.) There have been liberal-agenda issues that simply couldn't be allowed to proceed because SOMEBODY has to stop kicking all those cans down the road.

For limited reasons, I still support "the Donald" but only because of the people who are running against him and speaking out against him on the political podium. I have absolutely no trouble with those people on this forum who dislike DJT because I'm not 100% in favor of him either.
 
I can't understand why as soon as somebody talks about Trump, his supporters try to defend him with examples from Biden or Hilary or Democrats.
When I criticize Trump, It doesn't mean I'm supporting Democrats or Hilary or Biden. I even don't know who they are and where they belong to. Most of the people outside of US are the same as me. We don't care about Biden or others, because as long as they are not in the office, it's a US internal problem. But when they sit on that chair in White House, it becomes our problem. Because it effects all countries around the world.

When I criticize Trump, I’m talking about his personality and behavior, not trying to say Democrats are better. Most of those who live and are out of US, we don't like him because of his language, because of his position against media, because of his childish mistakes in numbers, because his repeatedly attacks on others.
And I don't like him because of his NOBODY KNOW ..... BETTER THAN ME while he has proved he doesn't know anything better than his precedents. He is a genius in business? maybe. I don't really know. Good for American citizen to have someone to support their economy. But does it justify his childish mistakes?
 
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@Jon Again sorry, I'm trying hard but I can't really understand. You're trying to compare Einstein's quantum physics mistake with the nonsense that president Trump is saying on a daily basis? I really don't know anything about physics, but I assume Einstein's mistake has been something very rare and the result of years of studies, or something that even took a long time for other scientists to even understand him and realize it's been wrong. Are you comparing a quantum physics mistake with a some data as simple as the population of a city? Every kid will laugh as soon as hearing someone talking about a city with 300 million population, no matter it's in Korea or USA or any other country. 300 million people in a city? It's simply ridiculous. He even doesn't know the most populated city in the world is 38 million.
Do you want to tell me because a scientist makes mistakes, he can too. Yes, he can. Nobody denies that. But how often? And how simple mistakes? I've said it before. He can set a committee to investigate and report to him. Then he can announce what's he's been reported.

Without any surveys he start talking nonsense (forgive my language) and makes a fool of himself. (I apologize to those who believes him. It's just what I think)

And yes, of course he's joking. He's joking when he says windmill causes cancer, he's joking when he says Mexican are rapist. He's joking when he calls others animal. He is joking when he says African countries are $hithole.

He IS NOT the problem. We who don't get his jokes are problem.

 
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Tera said:
I can't understand why as soon as somebody talks about Trump, his supporters try to defend him with examples from Biden or Hilary or Democrats.
When I criticize Trump, It doesn't mean I'm supporting Democrats or Hilary or Biden. I even don't know who they are and where they belong to. Most of the people outside of US are the same as me. We don't care about Biden or others, because as long as they are not in the office, it's a US internal problem. But when they sit on that chair in White House, it becomes our problem. Because it effects all countries around the world.

When I criticize Trump, I’m talking about his personality and behavior, not trying to say Democrats are better. Most of those who live and are out of US, we don't like him because of his language, because of his position against media, because of his childish mistakes in numbers, because his repeatedly attacks on others.
And I don't like him because of his NOBODY KNOW ..... BETTER THAN ME while he has proved he doesn't know anything better than his precedents. He is a genius in business? maybe. I don't really know. Good for American citizen to have someone to support their economy. But does it justify his childish mistakes?
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Tera,
with all do respect honestly this dialogue goes back a long time. Long before I became a member in 2010. Back then it was George W. was a war criminal, the opposition would reply with "what about Bill and Hillary Clinton and Mena Arkansas"?

When there is a Democrat in office all their supporters rally around and pretend giving Iran billions dollars in the dead of night is okay. They would ignore or defend it somehow.

When there is a Republican in office all their supporters rally around and pretend the birther issue is okay. It really does cut both ways and straight down party lines.

Reagan was senile with his finger on the button remember? On and on it goes.
 
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AccessBlaster said:
When there is a Democrat in office all their supporters rally around and pretend giving Iran billions dollars in the dead of night is okay.
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I have heard that one so many times now that I have to point out what the another side of the story is to that "fact", which didn't come from Fox News (aka David Pecker is Trump's best friend). In a nutshell, it is this:

- US holds billions in Iran assets and won't release any of it under the circumstances
- Iran signs nuclear non-proliferation deal/treaty in exchange for getting their assets back
- US gives Iran what belongs to them in good faith (which is the "payment" that so many seem to think happened).
- Fox tells Trumpians that Obama gave Iran billions and leaves it to the viewer to draw their own conclusion as to what that means. Naturally, no one is going to think it was Iran's money in the first place and was a reciprocal part of the treaty deal.

Whether or not it was a great deal isn't the point. I know that version yet my relatives keep harping on about the other version like it was US taxpayer money. I have never spoken about what I saw on the news because they're all brainwashed and I don't discuss politics with them. So truly, which version is right? If anyone is going to post an answer to that, I hope it is factual and based on the clear, unequicvocal and complete truth and not opinion. We both can't be right - or else I'm misinterpreting what these Iran payment comments mean.
 
Tera, you are from outside the USA so do not understand our political system. I live here and sometimes have trouble understanding everything I see, so I surely cannot be surprised or disappointed that you are confused. All I can say, my friend (if I may call you that), is "Welcome to the USA Political Confusion Club."

You ask a valid question but perhaps don't understand that even a total idiot could be president in our political system. Mr. Trump is not a total idiot but he surely DOES lack many social graces. Our law says that to be President, a candidate must be at least 35 years old and a natural-born citizen of the USA. He also must have lived within the USA for the last 14 years. There are a couple of disqualifying conditions having to do with legalities. Note that there IS NO REQUIREMENT for a law degree, political science degree, or service within any branch of government. Any upstanding citizen who meets the requirements could be elected.

Mr. Trump did not come to power through typical political pathways. He was neither a governor nor a senator nor a representative nor a war hero. The last war hero president was "Ike" Eisenhower, who did not serve politically before being elected president. John Kennedy served representing Massachussets after being a PT Boat captain during WWII so he was a war hero AND a congressman. George H.W. Bush was a war hero (Navy fighter pilot) who represented Texas in Congress.

Mr. Trump was never in a war and never represented any state in Congress. Therefore, he does not act like a politician or a military hero. He's a businessman who is used to giving orders and having them obeyed by the folks he employs. In corporate America, he commanded loyalty to the company and therefore to himself as owner of the company. But that doesn't work in his current situation.

Our political system, for better or worse, has become highly adversarial. (I said for better or worse, but I really mean "for worse" because there is nothing better about what we have now.) Therefore, whether you intended it or not, some people will see any criticism of Trump as a statement from his opponents. Making an isolated criticism might have been the intent, but in the barrage of Trump haters, the Trump lovers will defend him tooth and nail, often indiscriminately. As to whether he puts his foot in his mouth on a regular basis, that is immaterial from a legal viewpoint. He is shielded from repercussions of that verbal clumsiness by the restrictions placed on filing criminal or civil charges against ANY seated president. Only Congress has the authority to remove him from office and the last time this Congress tried to remove him, it didn't work out very well for them.

You want to know about his childish mistakes. The word "justify" isn't applicable. For the last several years, the "opposition" has characterized the mistakes of the president, whoever is in office. They magnify the errors because of that adversarial relationship between the political parties. I sincerely hope he washes his toes well because his foot is in his mouth so often. But even if he spoke eloquently, he would be vilified. Even Ronald Reagan, one of the best public speakers we have had as a president in recent memory, was savaged one way or another by his opponents.
 
Micron said:
Whether or not it was a great deal isn't the point. I know that version yet my relatives keep harping on about the other version like it was US taxpayer money.
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Nope it was Iranian monies, I have never thought otherwise. In-fact we were holding that cash hostage. Basically the cash was frozen.

But I don't think you believe its a good idea to give the Iranian Revolutionary Army billions. ;)
 
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