Auguments

[jpl458]

I guess the plaintiffs in the Fox news lawsuit can now use the "Liar, Liar,Pants on Fire" argument.

 

[KitaYama]

Our news doesn't give us anything worthy on this.
I was really interested in this, and I was looking forward to see what others have to say.
But it seems now that there is evidences and proofs, no one engages.

 

[moke123]

It's on every news station over here, except for Fox.

 

[KitaYama]

It's on every news station over here, except for Fox.

I don't know if what I read on different sites is true or not.
Is the following statement from this site true? Did he really admit?

• In evidence presented on Monday by Dominion, Murdoch admitted that he knew hosts and guests on Fox News were endorsing lies from then-President Donald Trump, and that he chose not to take action to stop it. For its part, Fox Corp. is arguing that the parent company and its top executives are wrongly being held responsible for reporting on comments made by a sitting president.

 

[jpl458]

According to court filings, that is true. They all new. It was about not losing money. If they told the truth it would hurt their revenue stream.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Of course you are correct, but CNN msnbc ABC and all the other acronyms are not immune to the same criticism. It's the nature of politics. It's reminds me of the many fact checkers who suddenly went dormant over the last year or so.

 

[moke123]

the many fact checkers who suddenly went dormant over the last year or so

only on fox, in fact they wanted their fact checkers fired.

 

[jpl458]

Of course you are correct, but CNN msnbc ABC and all the other acronyms are not immune to the same criticism. It's the nature of politics. It's reminds me of the many fact checkers who suddenly went dormant over the last year or so.

That is a false equivalency, and a deflection. That's like saying that we know Joe robbed a bank, but look at all the other crooks, they may have robbed a bank too , so Joe is really not that bad. When I was young, network News was a public service, not a profit center, and frankly, then you could trust the news. I agree that each network has its biases, but I think Fox went over the line by lying when they knew it was a lie. And from court filings. that is irrefutable. Plus, the "Proof" of the Big Lie was a woman who time traveled in the wind, or something, and voter fraud was revealed to her. There was no fraud. 60 cases were thrown out of court. But the real proof , and the solution to the mystery of the Sphinx, is in Hunter Biden,s laptop. I feel like I am living in Munich in 1933.

 

[KitaYama]

but I think Fox went over the line by lying when they knew it was a lie.

That is all I'm trying to understand. Most news sites I visit, read as :

In the heat of the moment, right after Election Day 2020, media magnate Rupert Murdoch knew that the hosts on his prized Fox News Channel were endorsing lies from then-President Donald Trump about election fraud.

source

When everybody says it was a lie, to me it means that it's proved there was no fraud in election.
Is it proved for sure?

 

[jpl458]

Where is the proof that there was fraud?, There is none. Just saying there was, does not make it true. Rupert admitted it in court. And, as I said, 60 times lawyers went to court with claims that there was corruption in the election. And since you can't lie in court, and they had no real evidence. the cases were thrown out. And a lot of the judges doing the throwing, were appointed by Trump. The way a despot comes to power is by creating and internal enemy, now days it's the Woke folk, and immigrants. Unless you are a Native American, then your ancestors came from someplace else, so now we should slam the door? I am not saying we should open the borders.

 

[KitaYama]

Where is the proof that there was fraud?,

I don't know. I just thought when there's a doubt, there may be a possibility.

Rupert admitted it in court. And, as I said, 60 times lawyers went to court with claims that there was corruption in the election.

I think you answered all my question. If he admitted it, I'm convinced.

As I said earlier, Our news channels are not interested in what's happening in US. So we hear a little about what's going on there.I also couldn't trust what I see in different sites.
I just needed a confirmation from someone who lives there.

thanks.

 

[jpl458]

2000 Mules is not proof, it's speculation, and probably made by a person of a particular political leaning. Why couldn't the lawyers provide proof, when asked in court, 60 times? I am a very simple, and empirical person, if there is proof I will believe it. But I only see speculation regarding he election. To quote Rudy "We don't have proof, but we have a lot of theories". As I wrote before, the big mistake in the news media was making it a profit center, and all pander to their particular, devoted viewers, and tell them what they want to hear.

This is an interesting read regarding the history of the news media.

Whatever Happened to the News? | Center for Media Literacy | Empowerment through Education | CML MediaLit Kit ™ |

www.medialit.org

 

[AccessBlaster]

That is a false equivalency, and a deflection. That's like saying that we know Joe robbed a bank, but look at all the other crooks, they may have robbed a bank too , so Joe is really not that bad. When I was young, network News was a public service, not a profit center, and frankly, then you could trust the news. I agree that each network has its biases, but I think Fox went over the line by lying when they knew it was a lie. And from court filings. that is irrefutable. Plus, the "Proof" of the Big Lie was a woman who time traveled in the wind, or something, and voter fraud was revealed to her. There was no fraud. 60 cases were thrown out of court. But the real proof , and the solution to the mystery of the Sphinx, is in Hunter Biden,s laptop. I feel like I am living in Munich in 1933.

My first words were "of course you are correct" referring to Fox lieing to their viewers, then I went on to point out other hypocrisy.

 

[jpl458]

I Apologize. There is a difference between opinion and lying, is all I wanted to point out. You can have any opinion you want, just don't try and palm it off as a fact. Aas a former Republican, I can't figure out what the republicans are for,other than they want the Democrat's to lose.

 

[AccessBlaster]

If you find any Republicans on this forum let us know, j haven't seen anyone claiming to be one.

 

[jpl458]

Some read like Republicans, but that's only a guess on my part.

 

[moke123]

2000 Mules is not proof, it's speculation, and probably made by a person of a particular political leaning.

Fact Check-Does ‘2000 Mules’ provide evidence of voter fraud in the 2020 U.S. presidential election?

A documentary directed by conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza claims it can prove widespread fraud was carried out during the 2020 presidential election in the United States. Reuters Fact Check examined the main claims presented in the film and did not find any concrete...

www.reuters.com

What I want to know is did all those ballots just have a vote for biden on them and all the choices for senate, house and dog catcher were just left blank?

 

[jpl458]

I guess you didn't see the GPS trails or the same person on video going back to the drop box multiple times during the night. OK, we didn't see the ballots he was depositing. Does that mean someone back at the DNC wasn't filling out ballots illegally for him to deposit? How many did he fill out himself? Why was each trip to deposit multiple ballots? Where was he getting the ballots from given the GPS tracking had him going back to the DNC headquarters?

Don't believe you lyin' eyes And don't ask ANY questions you do not want to know the answer to Keep that COVID mask up over your eyes. It does more good there than over your mouth and nose. But you probably think masks are also effective against virus'.

The Republicans in office are feckless pieces of dog do. They are the reason this country is in the state it is in because they are too afraid of being called names by the left.

I spent my formative years thinking I was a Democrat. Then I realized it was my money and the Republicans were giving it aways as fast as the Democrats.

I couldn't agree more with the last 2 sentences, except I don't think they are afraid of being called names by the left. I started to leave the Republican side when Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove went Nuts. It's been downhill ever since. This is just opinion, but it seems to me that the right wants government by the minority, which appears to be them. Consider this, 3 people in the USA control more money than the bottom 50% does ( Gates, Buffet and Bezos.)
Also, in my opinion, there is way too much money in politics, and that is the most corrupting element. Members of the House and Senate spend most of their time raising money, not governing. And the acting that goes on is to please their base.

 

[moke123]

That depends on how you count the votes in 2020 You should go find a map of the counties in the US and just look at the map without any state lines. The country is almost totally red. But here and there are splotches of blue.

Except when you look at it by population

 

[jpl458]

The problem with the left is they HATE this country and are outright trying to destroy it. So on once side we have the destroyers and on the other we have the cowards. All of them have ONE objective - POWER. How they use it is different, that's all.

That depends on how you count the votes in 2020 You should go find a map of the counties in the US and just look at the map without any state lines. The country is almost totally red. But here and there are splotches of blue. SF, LA, Chicago, DC, Miami, Atlanta, Dallas. A big blob for the NY metro area and smaller blue blobs for some medium sized cities. But it is only the cities where the left has support because that is where the 47% live.

Are you saying that these people are Republicans? You would be very wrong. They are as liberal as it gets. Doesn't stop the Democrats from telling the 47% who don't pay income tax that if only the government can take more money from those guys, all of our problems will be solved. Of course the fact that it is Congress who writes the tax laws doesn't seem to enter into the equation. You can ALWAYS get more money from the wealthy by simply eliminating the deductions that Congress added to the tax code that are there to specifically help the wealthy and going to a flat tax or even a steeply graduated tax with NO deductions. However, that means that some of the 47% will also have to pay taxes and there is a lot more of the teat suckers than there are billionaires and those are the ones who vote for the people who promise them stuff. Like paying off their college debt. Of course the people who will be paying off the debt of the doctors and lawyers and engineers are the clerks and tradespeople who did not go to college because they couldn't afford it. As well as stupid people like my daughter and myself who helped the twins with tuition. The girls worked two jobs - a winter job and a summer job for 8 years so they would have money to contribute to college. They worked from the time they were 16 and saved their money. So, that just makes us the stupid people because we aren't going to get any of that money back.

If I inferred they were Republicans, I didn't mean to. I just wanted to mention disparity in wealth. The former Presidents tax cut helped them out, in my opinion. But simply taxing the rich would not balance the budget, it would help a bit. I did some looking and found this bit on the number of people that don't pay income tax. It's seems that the number is dropping as we exit the covid years.

More than 40% of U.S. households will owe no federal income tax, down from last year, according to a new analysis

More than 72 million American households will pay no federal income taxes this year, marking a large decline from last year, the Tax Policy Center said.

www.cnbc.com

As for college debt, I don't think the solution is to sumarialy eliminate it, that's not particularly fair. The problem that has to addressed is the uncontrolled rate at which tuition has grown and is growing. Forgiving the debt is like going to a dermatologist to treat chicken pox. It's the
wrong solution.