$83.3 Million Ouch!

The biggest lesson we learn from a lot of this stuff is NOT Musk's "don't incorporate in Delaware", it's "don't do business in NYC".

That's the problem with the expansive application of jurisdiction and venue. If you have very much at all to do with a place like NYC, then their peeps will prosecute you for something, and your "jury of your peers" will be a bunch of left wing nuts, the kind that live in NYC to begin with.

Safest thing is to stay away from it, which shouldn't be hard - NYC is a toilet to begin and end with. Do business in safer places.
 
You are still confusing the law.
I'm not sure I'm confusing anything. My understanding is that she accused Trump of putting his penis inside of her, something which the article you linked to mentioned. So, common parlance of what ra** constitutes is irrelevant to this argument. That is why the jury didn't believe her ra** claim, but did believe the digital penetration claim.

I am not sure what Ma. law refers to?

In any case, if Trump says he did not ra** her, and by this he was referring to the NYC definition, but she is referring to common parlance, it seems a bit unfair to say that one definition of ra** beats another, especially when the said act allegedly happened in NYC where Trump's definition is accurate.
 
Ma. Law refers to the law in Massachusetts. I was drawing a comparison how legal definitions differ by state.
Trumps case was Federal but limited by NY Law.

Here's the judges full written decision https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-dis-crt-sd-new-yor/114642632.html

It's a good read. He goes into the ra** issue. Interesting thought in one of the footnotes about trumps access hollywood tape and his Grab'em by the Pu**y quote- How do you know he wasn't talking about E. Jean Carroll?

I understand where your coming from, I just have a much different perspective on jury dynamics and the subtle quirks in the laws and legal system. I've been involved in hundreds of ra** cases, have compiled deep background profiles on prospective jurors, and have polled jurors after trial as to their thoughts on the proceedings and deliberations. We see it through different eyes, irrespective of political views.
 
I think the common understanding of what ra** is probably differs by age group too. From my perspective, it does not involve digital penetration, even though it seems to be the common current definition. When I was in my youth I'm sure that there was only one type of ra**.

The crude grab 'em quote was about people letting you grab them, rather than Carroll's claim of not letting them.

In Trump's case, I don't think liberals will be able to divorce themselves unpassionately from their political beliefs where there is 24/7 Trump bashing on all the news channels. They are convinced Trump is a bad man prior to any of these court cases coming out. Factor in it being in New York with a democrat judge, the chance of him getting a fair trial are zero.

Aside from Trump, I've always had huge skepticism of ra** claims against rich men. Sure, it happens. But there is also a huge financial motive for the accuser to transform their lives by making a claim. And if you look at the UK, the claimant remains anonymous whilst the accused has their reputation trashed. Just look what has happened to Russell Brand. They should also make the accused anonymous too, considering the reputational damage.

Also, when it comes to ra** cases, I keep hearing that the real figures of ra** are way higher and men get away with it because their isn't enough evidence. Well, how do you know they got away with it? If you haven't the evidence you don't know! And therefore you don't know what the real rates of ra** are.

I'm sure there are plenty of women who have been raped but don't report it. But there are also those who a) make false accusations, and b) later on decide it was non-consensual, because they changed their mind after the fact. And what about men? It seems rather odd in UK law that a drunk woman cannot consent because she is too drunk, but if both of them have sex, the man is the rapist, even though he is drunk too. Can something please explain that to me? Being drunk is about ones ability to make a decision, so why are they saying women can't and men can? It is an example of overreaching with legislation. I am surprised this type of discrimination against men is not outlawed, especially since everything is supposed to be equal nowadays. I would love to hear the counter argument to this, anyone?
 
later on decide it was non-consensual, because they changed their mind after the fact
I believe that this number is absolutely massive. Just from life experience it's something that we all know regret happens very commonly after such an encounter. And the me too movement has encouraged them all to report it as ra** if they decide in hindsight that they didn't really want to. Which is kind of a tricky concept.
 
Here is another example of the unfair justice system when it comes to allegations of sexual misconduct. Christian Horner has his name plastered over the front pages of a newspaper, whlie the accuser remains anonymous. Is this really the way to go about things?

The reputational damage from these things rarely goes away, even for the innocent.

 
Here is another example of the unfair justice system when it comes to allegations of sexual misconduct. Christian Horner has his name plastered over the front pages of a newspaper, whlie the accuser remains anonymous. Is this really the way to go about things?

The reputational damage from these things rarely goes away, even for the innocent.


I agree, it's very unfair to allow an accused's life to be ruined in multiple ways at the same time the accuser can remain anonymous
I would be ok with that combination of things but only AFTER conviction
 
It's almost like baring false witness by advertising the accusers info in that way. Red Bull has wings.
 
This may sound unkind, as if I have no sympathy for another man's bank account.

Nonetheless I'm going to say it: You do realize the only issue that matters is the 2024 election right?
That's surely the only thing I care if he wins or loses.

Frankly, I expect him to lose the vast majority of any and all legal cases that come against him (esp. in places like NYC and DC), for obvious reasons.
No surprise to anyone I don't think.
 
Read the decision pat. Don't take tuckers word for it.

The President, of course, also has a duty under the Take Care Clause to faithfully enforce the laws. This duty encompasses following the legal procedures for determining election results and ensuring that executive power vests in the new President at the constitutionally appointed time. To the extent former President Trump maintains that the post-2020 election litigation that his campaign and supporters unsuccessfully pursued implemented his Take Care duty, he is in error. See infra n.14. Former President Trump’s alleged conduct conflicts with his constitutional mandate to enforce the laws governing the process of electing the new President.
 
Read the decision pat. Don't take tuckers word for it.
And he was trying to get Georgia to investigate.
 
Poor Biden by the time the election comes along and giving his dementia and constant confusion, he will probably be down by 30 points in the polls
 

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