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[Steve R.]

She started running her mouth about Donald Trump being a illegitimate president and a criminal.

That brings up the obvious question of why Republicans are criminalized for claiming that Biden is illegitimate, but Democrats are not being charged for any crime by claiming that Trump is "illegitimate"? Two standards of truth and justice.

 

[AccessBlaster]

They are trying to convict Trump in the court of public opinion, that would be enough for most people, but Trump isn't like most people.

 

[jpl458]

Certainly, $413M is not to be sniffed at. But he still turned it into billions. You don't do that being poor at business. The only people who fail are those who fail to try anything. It is a bit like saying that a salesman failed to sell 1,000 times but that comes with the territory. It doesn't mean to say you are bad salesman. The worst salesman is the person who doesn't try to sell anything in fear of losing a sale. They never sell anything.

The developer may have their opinion but that doesn't mean it is the truth. You have the vast majority of Democrats thinking Trump was guilty of Russia collusion but we all know what a hoax that was. There are some who still think it is true, like Adam Schiff.

If you are an idiot for failing with a casino business, if it is that easy aren't all those who don't open one idiots? I think it is naive to think anything in business is easy. There are a lot of moving parts. Also, bear in mind that Trump has lots of businesses and opening new ones frequently. It is not like the casino was his only business and therefore getting his undivided attention. Trump is very well diversified.

Regarding all Trump's lawsuits, do you think it is any coincidence that he is hit with 100 odd crimes in his campaign year, despite not having had this level of lawfare in his previous 77 years? Or you just think it is a coincidence?

I used to go to a British pub every night when I was younger, but rarely go nowadays. It is a big embedded part of the culture though. Not sure how these pubs differ to the bars in the UBritish pub are civilized and social. I was in one waiting for a friend, and there was a discussion goiing on with for guys standing at a column with a place to out your beer attached. I just listened to the conversationa and said nothing. Then out of the blue one of the gents turned me and said"Your a Yank, how do you fell about.........". I jound the talk and had a g reat time with complete strangers. That would never happen here

It is doubtful that Trump is worth bilions. The only source of information on that is him, and he lies about hiumself all the time. He does own a lot of properties but a lot of them are heavily leveraged. His personality is: Overview. Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others.

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[Isaac]

Considering the case was brought in 2022, I'd love to hear an explanation.

That having nothing to do with actions showing her intentions along the way

 

[Isaac]

A case brought under a law that requires zero actual damages, ridiculous. I'm glad these things came up though, so people can see how, as I've often said, doing business in places like NYC and DC is dangerous business if you're conservative.

No amount of judgments against Trump in these types of cases would surprise me. And despite the gloriously time-wasting effort dumps of people like fanny, it's not going to change a thing - he's still most likely going to be elected President - again. That's how much people are hating Democrat policies right now. These poor people can't seem to make anything stick to him except monetary damages in a liberal bastion

 

[Isaac]

A Fact. At the begining of this trial the crack Trump leagle team turned down a jury trial.

Former President Trump has repeatedly complained about the lack of a jury in his New York civil fraud trial, but his own legal team appears to have failed to request one.

No, that's not a fact. That's a falsehood. You can't turn down something you have no option of turning up.

Judge in Trump's New York fraud trial explains why there's no jury

Even if Trump had asked for a jury, the answer would have been "no," the judge said Wednesday.

www.cbsnews.com

Former President Donald Trump did not request a jury for his New York civil fraud trial, but even if he had asked for one, the answer would've been "no," a judge said Wednesday.

Judge Arthur Engoron addressed an issue that had been the subject of speculation on social media and by Trump himself, saying it "keeps coming up," even though he doesn't "read the papers or go online to read about" the trial.

Engoron is presiding over the bench trial of a $250 million lawsuit filed in 2022 by New York Attorney General Letitia James, in which she accused Trump, two of his sons, their company and other executives of years of widespread fraud. Engoron said that in paperwork certifying that the case was ready for trial, James' office checked a box suggesting it be a non-jury proceeding.

Trump's team had 15 days to oppose that, but did not, Engoron said, because there was no point in doing so.

"It would not have helped to make a motion. Nobody forgot to check off a box," Engoron said

So it looks like you're back to trying to explain to us why a single NYC man's opinion, the judge, ordering this judgment against him, is whatsoever persuasive in the grand scheme of things. They can't make anything halfway legitimate stick

 

[Steve R.]

Attached is a copy of Engoron's ruling should anyone want to read it. As previously expressed, in this thread, this is a highly flawed ruling. It is reprehensible that judge (responsible for upholding the rule of law) would act as a partisan hit-man for the benefit of the Democratic party. Election interference.

 

[Pat Hartman]

A Fact. At the begining of this trial the crack Trump leagle team turned down a jury trial.

NO - Trump was DENIED a jury trial based on the bogus statute they used to persecute him and his family.

 

[Isaac]

When even MSNBC doesn't think it's fair and look back 150 cases and the statute had never been used in a case where there had not been any damage or actual defrauding to anyone, that tells you something

MSNBC host Katy Tur demands: ‘Is this fair’ after judge fines Trump, bans him from business in New York

MSNBC host Katy Tur went through New York Judge Arthur Engoron's ruling against former President Trump and asked her panelists if it was a "fair" decision.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Pat Hartman]

It is doubtful that Trump is worth bilions.

WHAT DO YOU CARE??? You're obsessed with jealousy and hatred for a man who has done you no personal harm. Who are you to judge him? May I quote the bible to you? - "judge not lest thee be judged" - Is only one of the quotes on the subject of judging others.

The only source of information on that is him, and he lies about hiumself all the time.

We could say that you're the liar. What proof do you have for this "fact?" You "know" it in your heart isn't good enough When you besmirch someone's good name, you really ought to have at least some proof.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance.

EXACTLY how has Trump's opinion of himself injured you? Some people, myself included, consider TDS to be a mental illness.

You should probably hate Joe Biden, Anthony Fauci, and Rachel Maddow for lying to you regarding the COVID vaccine. All of them on national TV on multiple occasions told you that if you took the "vaccine" you couldn't catch COVID, nor could you spread it. OUTRIGHT lies that actually hurt and possibly even resulted in the death of thousands who believed these lies.

How about those "security" experts with their top secret security clearances that told you the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation while the FBI had the laptop in their custody and knew for a fact in 2019 when they got it that it was real.

What LIE did Trump ever tell that caused you harm? You don't like the fact that he boasts about his crowd sizes? Why doesn't the press show overviews of his crowds to "disprove" Trump's estimates?

Yes, you are being lied to every single day. You just can't tell who is doing it you are so down the TDS rabbithole. Everything is Trump's fault. That is exactly where they want you.

 

[Steve R.]

Trump blasts 'clubhouse politician' judge after being fined $350M, defends the 'great company' he built

EXCLUSIVE: Former President Trump blasted “clubhouse politician" Judge Arthur Engoron Friday after he barred him from operating his business in New York for three years and fined him more than $350 million, defending the “great company" he built and telling Fox News Digital that the ruling is...

www.foxnews.com

 

[AccessBlaster]

Can't wait for the debate...

 

[Steve R.]

Is Trump's civil fraud case decision supported by the evidence? | Fox News Video

Fox News contributor Sol Wisenberg and former Trump attorney Tim Parlatore joins 'The Ingraham Angle' to discuss Judge Engoron fining former President Trump $355 million.

www.foxnews.com

Sol Wisenberg made a very obvious point, that I missed. (Others have already pointed out that this is the first time that this law has been used for a prosecution, but Widenberg added additional insightful "color") Trump has been doing business in New York State for 30+ years. His business practices are well know to the public and the legal system. If these business practice were so egregious (as claimed by Letitia James), why wasn't Trump charged before?

Hunter Biden is getting off on some of his criminal charges since the US Justice Department failed to act within the statute of limitations. There is no time constraint (as far as I know) for bringing charges forward. Nevertheless, if Trump's supposed egregious "crimes" have been overlooked by numerous prosecutors for 30+ years, it would seem unjustified to now charge Trump.

The obvious reason these charges are now being pursued (when they weren't in the past) is this is a form of "election interference" meant to cripple Trump's campaign. Clearly this is a political hit job like that found in any third world country that does not follow the rule of law. Democrats are the threat to democracy.

 

[Isaac]

Is Trump's civil fraud case decision supported by the evidence? | Fox News Video

Fox News contributor Sol Wisenberg and former Trump attorney Tim Parlatore joins 'The Ingraham Angle' to discuss Judge Engoron fining former President Trump $355 million.

www.foxnews.com

Sol Wisenberg made a very obvious point, that I missed. (Others have already pointed out that this is the first time that this law has been used for a prosecution, but Widenberg added additional insightful "color") Trump has been doing business in New York State for 30+ years. His business practices are well know to the public and the legal system. If these business practice were so egregious (as claimed by Letitia James), why wasn't Trump charged before?

Hunter Biden is getting off on some of his criminal charges since the US Justice Department failed to act within the statute of limitations. There is no time constraint (as far as I know) for bringing charges forward. Nevertheless, if Trump's supposed egregious "crimes" have been overlooked by numerous prosecutors for 30+ years, it would seem unjustified to now charge Trump.

The obvious reason these charges are now being pursued (when they weren't in the past) is this is a form of "election interference" meant to cripple Trump's campaign. Clearly this is a political hit job like that found in any third world country that does not follow the rule of law. Democrats are the threat to democracy.

Obviously he's just being prosecuted now to interfere with his ability to become president. Most people see that as obvious, that's why his legal cases have had no effect on his popularity, if it mattered to people than that wouldn't be the case

 

[moke123]

If these business practice were so egregious (as claimed by Letitia James), why wasn't Trump charged before?

Because no one on the inside, like Michael Cohen, ever testified before congress until a couple years ago, that citizen trump was committing these crimes.

 

[moke123]

this is the first time that this law has been used for a prosecution,

It was used in the trump university case which he lost.

 

[Isaac]

It was used in the trump university case which he lost.

Wow, the only other time it was used was another Trump case? I think you're helping make the point

 

[Steve R.]

Wow, the only other time it was used was another Trump case? I think you're helping make the point

Additional confirmation that this was a selective persecution.

Trump’s $355M fine won’t hurt NY businesses that follow the law, Gov. Hochul says

“This judge determined that Donald Trump did not follow the rules,” the governor said.

nypost.com

“I understand [that the Trump ruling might make New York business people fearful], but this is really an extraordinarily unusual circumstance that the law-abiding, rule-following New Yorkers who are businesspeople have nothing to worry about because they’re very different from Donald Trump and his behavior,” Hochul said on the “Cats Roundtable” on WABC 770 radio. (Emphasis added)

Hochul is indirectly acknowledging that it was Trump's behavior that was the determining factor, not the law. This is a blatant example of "Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime." Based on this logic, any business could be found "guilty" should their behavior be considered "bad" by New York political elite.

Finally, Letitia James specifically ran for her current job on the platform of "getting Trump". The crime, if any, was irrelevant to her campaign. This was a case of personal animosity by James against Trump. Therefore, this prosecution was an abuse of power.

Elise Stefanik demands NY AG Letitia James be disbarred over ‘biased’ Trump probe

The New York lawmaker blasted James for violating the Rules of Professional Conduct by “attacking President Trump through extrajudicial statements” during a trial.

nypost.com

 

[Steve R.]

Well the Babylon Bee asserts the article below is satire, but I wonder?

Letitia James Seizes Mar-a-Lago, Sells It For $740 Million

NEW YORK, NY — New York District Attorney Letitia James followed through on her threat to seize the property of Trump by grabbing up the former president's estate, Mar-a-lago. The top lawyer for the Big Apple then turned around and sold the property for $740 million.

babylonbee.com

 

[Pat Hartman]

Because no one on the inside, like Michael Cohen, ever testified before congress until a couple years ago, that citizen trump was committing these crimes.

No, because there were no victims to report a crime. Therefore, one did not occur. The crime is fabricated to interfere with Trump's ability to campaign and also to cost him a shitload of money. More in fact, than most people will make in a lifetime.

No witness for the prosecution said they were a victim and relied on Trump's valuations and so did not do their due diligence. They would have been fired on the spot and probably sued by their clients.