You speak in absolutes. You paint with wide brushes on every topic, and in every way, you mimic the words of drive time conservative propaganda.
We have to question our own beliefs.
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Perhaps because we ARE conservatives? And I am going to technically object to calling it propaganda UNLESS you are willing to admit that the garbage being spewed by the progressive liberals is ALSO propaganda. Both sides of the aisle in Congress now deal in extreme rhetoric.
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You mean like "witch hunt", "stolen election", and "Election interference"?
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Election interference has been documented but the liberal media won't allow that story to gain any traction even though some articles HAVE made it from Georgia. TDS has used the blunderbuss method of scattering various attacks that make it seem like there is a witch hunt going on. As to whether the election was actually stolen, maybe and maybe not. I don't know the degree of interference, just its kind. And moke... DON'T try to deny that there HAVE been articles about irregularities and interference. Disingenuousness does not become you very well.
Are you kidding? I don't agree with liberals any more than i do Conservatives.
The thing is, people cannot hear the voice of the type of propaganda they believe in. I've been a student of propaganda since the early 90s. Liberal and Conservative propaganda is designed for one purpose.
To instill contempt. All propaganda serves the same master.
Unlike what Pat always accuses me of not doing, I do actually listen to a wide range of news. specifically to listen for the patterns that distinguish them. You say "because we are conservative". What does that mean exactly? I know part of it means that Conservatives interpret everything that is not as extreme as their view as Liberal.
I know something else, the style of propaganda visited on the conservatives in our country had it roots in early to mid 20th century Germany. Furthermore, the Americanization of it happened after Goldwater got destroyed in 1964 by Johnson. The Nixon Republicans needed to fix their broken system.
I'm not here to teach propaganda history, but the information is out there if you desire to learn about it.
Two equally bad things are happening right this very second:
Iranian brainwashing has achieved a foot-hold in Liberal propaganda, and likewise Russian Propaganda is influencing Conservative messaging. They are able to achieve successes because people that self-regulate the input they receive create loops.
These loops negate any deviation from "the truth". Even to the point of creating unholy alliances between government and religion. Which, you have to admit, the term Conservative Christians kind of sums that up.
They have been reported on the Russian infiltrated Conservative Drive time propaganda mechanism sure, and the conspiracy networks.
I listened to the tape of Trump coercing the Georgia election guy.
Cmon Pat:
"All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have," Trump says, according to audio of the call. "There's nothing wrong with saying, you know, that you've recalculated."
Who does not listen?
That will be determined in a court, I expect, if it ultimately gets to court. However clearly he was seeking to get the result changed and suggested means which did not involve a recount. You give everything Trump says and does the most generous interpretation.
Yeah I think he is stupid, and smart - don't you? He is a liar, a grifter, an ex-president, a husband, a father, sexist, rich, a politician, a real estate salesman, a cheater, self-promoter .... he walks the fine line, he is a hypocrite, he plays to the audience (the converted), he is bombastic, ....
You characterise people as having DTS, being never-Trumpers , of being pre-occupied with Trump. It appears you are behind the wall and firing at anything that moves. Forgive us if we fire back.
A recount was conducted because the count was a narrow win for Biden within the range that the state had deemed was small enough to justify a recount. The hour-long call to Raffensperger was an attempt to go beyond that.
I think as far as Trump is concerned you are wearing a tin-foil hat. Don't let anything in that could possibly suggest Trump is not up to it, not fit for office. Yiddish may not be your first or second language (altho you have spent some time in that region) - its not mine either, but your obsession is just as telling and that term you are trying to recall could just as easily apply to you.
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He wasn't talking to Kemp.
I believe the threat is on page 13.
This is a cool transcript. Built in fact checks.
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No, I think Russia is not communist at all. Russia is purely capitalist.
I do thank you Pat for participating in my little experiment. I apologize for not being completely up front about my motives. Although I have alluded to this in earlier posts.
I am a student of propaganda. It, along with economics, are two of my favorite social studies. Mostly I prefer science, math, and technologies.
I was wondering if there was any limit to how far you would persist, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, you have persevered. I don't know if this is a social media persona or if you exhibit this much dogma in everyday life.
Do you find yourself having different levels of tenacity in different settings?
I have so many questions. You may be interested to know that I am equally as offensive to Ultra Liberals as I am to Ultra Conservatives.
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So was Joseph Goebbels, what's your point.
I think should be clear by now.
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The point is. Conservative Brainwashing is so effective, thanks to the teachings of Mr. Goebbels. The Russians have been using it for years to influence conservative leaders and voters. And in particular, Donald Trump. He, and his Russian buddies have shut down congress, cut off aid to the Ukraine, and have given comfort to our enemies.
American Conservatives, brainwashed by Russians, and proud of it.
Ranting and sarcasm aside, how do you explain why any Americans would facilitate the Russians taking over the Ukraine?
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But that's not true, is it? Nowhere in this forum have you ever criticized liberals, democrats, or progressives. You and jpl458 are obsessed with all things Trump, conservatives, and republican. You are both dyed-in-the-wool liberals pretending to be moderates.
Pat, Steve, Doc, and I often complain about RHINOs, repubs, and so-called conservatives as being feckless or worse. You never see that coming from the other side, you stick to the party line regardless of facts.
"Some Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans." -Dan Bongino
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That has been my observation too. I profess to be equally disgusted with both sides as well, but I do know that I lean more on the conservative side...
I haven't here. But I do regularly in other places. I think that extremist on both sides serve the same masters.
We live in a time that is at the end of cycle.
An example of this type of cycle was circa 1900. Where the power of the robber barons was at its peek. Hundreds of thousands of workers were employed by the company, lived in company housing, and got their grub from the company store.
Slavery by any other name.
That era ended with the break up of all those companies. They are determined to keep that from happening now. The way to keep that from happening is by disseminating contempt, and creating division. There are many factors, but right now the primary mechanism for the largest division is Conservative contempt. Not to mention conservative economic policies tend to transfer wealth upwards rather than outward.
One of the things I have learned about the science of propaganda is that the voice of the propaganda, attracts and repels, equally across political ideologies. The voice, not the message.
Conservative propaganda is better organized than Liberal. As I wrote this I decided to do a real research paper on this topic. Right now i have to get back to work.
On the subject of contempt:
No one in our life time has done that as successfully as Donald Trump. Trumps entire platform is based on contempt for Liberals.
There are millions more hard core right wingers than Liberal ones.
Liberal messaging tends to focus on Woke issues. This type of propaganda is almost guaranteed to push people to the right.
Conservatives are much more adept at convincing their constitutes that they are better for the economy, but if you are a student of economics its apparent that, historically speaking, is simply not the case.
Conservatives are better at propaganda which make them more dangerous at this particular moment.
So while we have spent the last 30 years in a perpetual contempt fest, we have done nothing to make any real progress of turning the tide of the extreme transfer of wealth to the very richest on earth. Conservative propaganda even has a branch that claims that the role of the government is to stay out of the business of transferring wealth, at least when it comes to transferring it to the poor or middle class. . When in fact, it is in the business of transferring wealth to the top.
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What can I say NG you're ungovernable
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No, that's way off base. Remember when Trump left and Joe Brib'em came in he proceeded to take his pen out and reverse virtually everything Trump did. When Trump tried to do that to Obama, he was told he was not allowed to do that even though Obama care is clearly unconstitutional. No one has a right to health care, that's a want, not a need. The problem with your very narrow minded view is that it's not based in reality. It's based in your perception of reality. A leader can either make the country stronger and actually do good for the economy and the people and keep the peace between countries. That was all accomplished under Trump. That all went down hill when an incompetent person took over and showed the world that he is not actually in control, his handlers are. His cue cards are real, and he really cannot follow them. It's not propaganda, it's reality.
The crazy association with the Russians that you are pedaling is pure propaganda and disinformation at it's finest.
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Flattery will get you nowhere...What can I say NG you're ungovernable
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Trump rode the recovery created and sustained by Obama. These are facts, verifiable by reading some actual data.
As far as the Russians... Non-ultra-right-winger Republicans, in Congress, are the ones saying this. And the Hard Right Wingers in Congress are the ones that turned off the funds to fend off the Russians. Putin, like Hitler before him. Some Americans obviously agree with his little war. It makes you wonder why?
The only reason you don't see Trump's rehearsed contempt mongering is because you personally exhibit the same exact type of contempt. It's there for all to see in your language.
Health Care: Your savior the the Orange man himself clamed to have a better program just around the corner, but that never happened. When the Constitution was created, they didn't even have defined surgery practices, the French were still working on it. We wouldn't have that until the Civil War.
I think you should find a list of the reversals of both presidents and see what percentage of Americans agree. In fact if Americans had a platform from both sides, which would get more agreement. 60 million Trumpers would all vote the same way while the rest of us would have a more balanced approach. A one hundred percent testimony to the power of Conservative Propaganda, and the weakness of the Liberal ones.
Thank you for being this up. it helps me write.
And oh yeah, are you an actual Lawyer, Judge, or Constitutional Scholar?
