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[The_Doc_Man]

Conservative propaganda blames every problem in the USA on Liberals.

And liberal propaganda blames every problem in the USA on conservatives. So your point...?

Just remember this rule, that has played out in countries around the world: Socialism fails when it runs out of someone else's money to spend. And "progressive liberal" ideology is REALLY GOOD about spending other people's money.

 

[Thales750]

And liberal propaganda blames every problem in the USA on conservatives. So your point...?

Just remember this rule, that has played out in countries around the world: Socialism fails when it runs out of someone else's money to spend. And "progressive liberal" ideology is REALLY GOOD about spending other people's money.

You answer is exactly the point. You turned this to blame Liberals.

It turns out that I agree that Liberal propaganda does the same thing. It's not as destructive as Conservative. Partially because Conservative Propaganda is better managed, makes its lies harder to disprove, sounds logical, and completely distorts the economic facts.

What you just said about progressives spending other people's money. That statement is one hundred percent propaganda. The messaging is based on making you feel like YOU personally are a victim. Conservatives and Liberals, they all spend the same money.

Spending is not really the appropriate word , allocation that is the actual word. Conservatives and Liberals want it to be allocated for what they believe in. Spending builds the economy that's why no one has ended debt driven government spending. And the powers that be (not government) use allocations to keep us divided.

About Socialism:
There are so called socialist counties in Europe with lower debt to GDP ratios, and lower growth in that ratio, than us. And the have better medical and longer lives.

That old argument is so 20th century.

 

[NauticalGent]

And the have better medical and longer lives.

Has someone who has lived in Italy and Spain, I would argue the point of better medical. They probably do live longer and happier lives but that is due to a number of factors.

 

[AccessBlaster]

... Partially because Conservative Propaganda is better managed, makes its lies harder to disprove, sounds logical, and completely distorts the economic facts.

If we could just jail Trump, get rid of MAGA, end the Electoral College. Stack the Supreme Court, ban voter ID, and censor free speech we could save democracy. Said every liberal.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

What you just said about progressives spending other people's money. That statement is one hundred percent propaganda.

Ask Greece.

 

[NauticalGent]

What you just said about progressives spending other people's money. That statement is one hundred percent propaganda.

Untrue. However that statement applies to ALL forms of governments that collect taxes. In the case of the US, both sides of the aisle are equally terrible about it.

 

[conception_native_0123]

Like what?

what, you want a list thales? hmmm....to name a few: hollywood liberalism influence, ultra rich vs. ultra poor, unreasonable prices on just about everything, AI, it goes on and on. remember, everything starts in california whether it's good or it's bad. and from there it spreads inward to us in the middle of the country. I would say that we here in Iowa don't start having CA's current round of bullshit shoved down our throats until about 8-10 years after it first gets its start out there. take the LGBQ movement for example. I like to quote Robert England from the Nightmare on Elm Street documentary in 2010 when he was talking about the subtext written for part 2 of the series:

"People were really out a lot then. Maybe not in Kansas, but certainly on both coasts".

No shit! That's because EVERYTHING starts on the coasts and moves inward! I think of him saying that everytime this subject comes up.

 

[Thales750]

Untrue. However that statement applies to ALL forms of governments that collect taxes. In the case of the US, both sides of the aisle are equally terrible about it.

I went on to say both sides are equally responsible. The statement is propaganda. Please do not quote me out of context.

 

[Thales750]

what, you want a list thales? hmmm....to name a few: hollywood liberalism influence, ultra rich vs. ultra poor, unreasonable prices on just about everything, AI, it goes on and on. remember, everything starts in california whether it's good or it's bad. and from there it spreads inward to us in the middle of the country. I would say that we here in Iowa don't start having CA's current round of bullshit shoved down our throats until about 8-10 years after it first gets its start out there. take the LGBQ movement for example. I like to quote Robert England from the Nightmare on Elm Street documentary in 2010 when he was talking about the subtext written for part 2 of the series:

"People were really out a lot then. Maybe not in Kansas, but certainly on both coasts".

No shit! That's because EVERYTHING starts on the coasts and moves inward! I think of him saying that everytime this subject comes up.

So we should just table all innovation so the folks in Iowa aren't stressed out over change?

 

[NauticalGent]

I went on to say both sides are equally responsible. The statement is propaganda. Please do not quote me out of context.

That was not my intent. I was agreeing with you for the most part - guess it got lost in the sauce.

 

[Thales750]

Ask Greece.

Ask Germany
Sweden
Norway
Japan
Ask a real question. Why does the US have the most expensive health care system in the world, by both total spending, and per capita spending? We rank 47th in longevity and way down on the list of access to health care?

I'm not advocating socialism, but what we're doing is not holding up to the modern world standards. What is it that keeps Americans from achieving basic medical needs for so many of us?

Maybe because we are so consumed with victimhood, contempt, and blame. We would prefer to argue about woke, then we would healthcare cost and effectiveness . Have you noticed that health care is mostly off the table now days?

Life Expectancy by Country and in the World (2025) - Worldometer

List of countries and dependencies in the world ranked by life expectancy at birth, both sexes, males and females. World Population Life Expectancy with historical chart

www.worldometers.info

 

[Thales750]

That was not my intent. I was agreeing with you for the most part - guess it got lost in the sauce.

Then I humbly apologize as well. I have been taken out of context quite a bit lately, I am overreacting.

 

[NauticalGent]

Then I humbly apologize as well. I have been taken out of context quite a bit lately, I am overreacting.

Understood. You and I are not that different really. We both claim to straddle the fence but truth be told, I lean conservative as much as you seem to lean the other way. I wont say liberal because you are far from that. Dialogue is good as long as we can keep it civil and cerebral.

 

[Thales750]

If we could just jail Trump, get rid of MAGA, end the Electoral College. Stack the Supreme Court, ban voter ID, and censor free speech we could save democracy. Said every liberal.

6 topics there Pat, you're improving. If you could get it up to 30 or so that would be an achievement.

I will focus on just one: The Electoral College.
Texas is the Great Purple State, it has 40 electoral votes. How many democratic votes have been stolen from the Citizens, in Texas alone?

Hint: 10s of Millions.

The very next time Texas votes democrat in the Presidential Election, The good ol' boys in Austin will be out on their horse touting the end of winner-take-all Electoral Votes .
This is the voting record of the Great State of Texas. It is red but the trend is towards the blue. They (the Good Ol' Boys) are not going to let it stand when they have to send all them vote to Washington for a Democrat, after the Blue hits 51%
So yeah, we wouldn't have any Republican Presidents without the antiquated Electoral College. I'm glad you admitted that.

Winner take all must go, especially in Texas.

 

[AccessBlaster]

6 topics there Pat, you're improving. If you could get it up to 30 or so that would be an achievement.

Do you think Pat wrote that?

 

[Thales750]

Understood. You and I are not that different really. We both claim to straddle the fence but truth be told, I lean conservative as much as you seem to lean the other way. I wont say liberal because you are far from that. Dialogue is good as long as we can keep it civil and cerebral.

Why NauticalGent as a handle?
Actually there are some issues where I am decidedly to the right. I reserve talking about them to when there are Liberals in the room.

 

[Thales750]

If we could just jail Trump, get rid of MAGA, end the Electoral College. Stack the Supreme Court, ban voter ID, and censor free speech we could save democracy. Said every liberal.

Stack the Supreme Court?
It certainly worked for the Trumpers. Again, good job for pointing that out.

 

[NauticalGent]

Why NauticalGent as a handle?
Actually there are some issues where I am decidedly to the right. I reserve talking about them to when there are Liberals in the room.

I joined the Navy right out of High School (1983) and retired in 2005. While I was galivanting across the globe, some young lady referred to me as her Nautical Gentleman. She quickly changed her perception of me after she got to know me, but I cant use her replacement as a "handle"...

 

[AccessBlaster]

What time is happy hour in Texas? It seems to change daily

 

[Thales750]

Has someone who has lived in Italy and Spain, I would argue the point of better medical. They probably do live longer and happier lives but that is due to a number of factors.

It is due to a number of factors.

But, Italy and Spain probably don't compare to Germany, Japan, the Scandinavian countries, France, and probably some others as well.
You are so correct about longevity though, it's more complex than I admitted.

However, in the US, there is a rather interesting chart for longevity and it is pretty much based on income. People with better jobs tend to have insurance, people with insurance tend to more frequent preventative care, not to mention actually having cancer care. These people definitely live longer heathier lives.
Then of course:
Food
Stress
Inner city violence.
Guns ( I own guns, I'm a Texans for goodness sake)

Why is our infant mortality rate so high?

US Has Highest Infant, Maternal Mortality Rates Despite the Most Health Care Spending | AJMC

The United States possesses the highest infant and maternal mortality rates compared with any other high-income country, even though it spends the most on health care.

www.ajmc.com