Two nations divided by a common language. (1 Viewer)

[The_Doc_Man]

I said to an American friend: "I saw a pigeon pecking at a fag (cigarette) butt."

She said: "What? A pigeon was pecking at a homosexuals ass?"

I could get REALLY risque here... A pigeon would have been pecking at something and because of the vagaries of "regular" words (that follow strict rules of declension) that means he was pecking it with his pecker. Which leads to all sorts of speculation about how the homosexual would have felt about such actions due to the slang implications of what you peck with.

 

[Space Cowboy]

I have had problems explaining to an American that I was just "nipping outside for a quick fag".

 

[ColinEssex]

I have had problems explaining to an American that I was just "nipping outside for a quick fag".

In the UK the word 'fag' can also mean something tiresome or time consuming. For example 'I dug the garden but it was a bit of a fag', or 'I walked all round the shops, it was a right fag'.
Col

 

[Space Cowboy]

In the UK the word 'fag' can also mean something tiresome or time consuming. For example 'I dug the garden but it was a bit of a fag', or 'I walked all round the shops, it was a right fag'.
Col

I have a different colloquialism for that, "Tiresome or time consuming" which I suspect would be equally difficult to translate.
" I walked down the river to the next village, it was quite a thug"

 

[The_Doc_Man]

In south Louisiana - and many other USA areas - that usage is also sometimes called a "drag" - though there is a strong undercurrent of "boring" in that as well.

 

[Space Cowboy]

That's interesting, there is also the possibility of "suck, swallow or draw" with relation to a cigarette/other burning product.

"give us (me), a quick drag on your fag"

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Oh, MAN, that phrase involves too many alternately vulgar and innocent meanings. Language is SO much fun.

 

[cheekybuddha]

Last night, I got so pissed.

 

[NauticalGent]

Last night, I got so pissed.

♪♫ pissin' the night awayyyy ♫♪

 

[Space Cowboy]

Last night, I got so pissed.

pissed off or pissed up

 

[DickyP]

I also love the different meanings of 'homely': virtual opposites. In the US it means ugly, but in UK it means comfortable or cosy - eg, a compliment.

And don't get me started on the spelling of aluminium - where according to my 1926 Webster's dictionary (US) the US spelling without the i shows in the entry for aluminium as 'also Aluminum reflecting the common mispronunciation.'

 

[The_Doc_Man]

@DickyP - ColinEssex and I have had that discussion. As a PhD chemist, I will tell you that BOTH pronunciations are allowed. The name comes from the mineral "alum" which is potassium aluminum sulfate.

Why There Are Two Names for Element 13?

Element 13 is unique in that it has two names. Depending on who you ask, it may be Aluminum or Aluminium. Discover the reason for this difference.

www.thoughtco.com

If it hadn't been essentially overruled by committee, Sir Humphry Davy's name for it would have stuck at "alumium." You can read the history in the linked article. By the way, your 1926 dictionary entry is overruled by the 1925 action by the American Chemical Society, who reverted officially to "aluminum." The international organizations accept both spellings.

 

[DickyP]

The international organizations accept both spellings.

Grudgingly! The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) adopted aluminium as the standard international name for the element in 1990. In 1993, they recognized aluminum as an acceptable variant. he most recent 2005 edition of the IUPAC nomenclature of inorganic chemistry also acknowledges this spelling. IUPAC official publications use the -ium spelling as primary, and they list both where it is appropriate.

It's a great subject as we can all argue for hours about it and nobody wins (or is right)

 

[The_Doc_Man]

We used to use that term for a cigarette but we can no longer use it since it became a pejorative for being homosexual. Same with gay. Gay seems to have lost its natural meaning so it is also no longer used naturally.

Not only that, but the gay community was recently seeking a new term because "gay" has ALSO become pejorative (as you point out). From what my stepdaughter has mentioned, they were looking at "festive" as an option. Of course, the problem there is that whatever name they choose will quickly become a pejorative because the hatred is directed to the group, whatever their chosen name.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Also being a "Dick" used to mean detective, but now it means A-hole. It's funny how it always comes back to body parts.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Also being a "Dick" used to mean detective, but now it means A-hole. It's funny how it always comes back to body parts.

Not always the same. After all, in Guardians of the Galaxy, it was a plot point that StarLord was one but not the other. Of course, StarLord's given name was "Peter" which is ALSO slang for a "Dick" so I suspect there was a bit of sneaky writing going on there anyway.

 

[NauticalGent]

Then there are those of us who do not care and use whatever term suites us.

 

[DickyP]

Not always the same. After all, in Guardians of the Galaxy, it was a plot point that StarLord was one but not the other. Of course, StarLord's given name was "Peter" which is ALSO slang for a "Dick" so I suspect there was a bit of sneaky writing going on there anyway.

I love what's in a bit of slang - back when Dick as slang meant detective, Peter meant burglar in UK.

 

[DickyP]

Ever since the movie/film 'Dumb and Dumber' we Brits, especially youngsters have started to use the word 'dumb' to mean stupid. The Concise Oxford English Dictionary and Oxford Dictionary of American English show the primary meanings of the words to be:

American English ​	English English ​
Dumb -> idiotic etc​	Stupid or other equivalents -> idiotic etc​
Mute -> Can't speak​	Dumb-> Can't speak​
Elective Mute -> Can but doesn't speak​	Mute -> Can but doesn't speak​

Hence about 20 years ago on UK Evening TV when being interviewed Dustin Hoffman got upset when the expression 'deaf & dumb' was used by the host Terry Wogan because he thought deaf people were being accused of being stupid, whereas it refers to those who can neither hear nor speak.

 

[DickyP]

It must be our dictionaries because I'm pretty sure that most Americans don't know the difference between dumb and mute as the English do. Either that or it's a "politically correct" issue where they can't use the word dumb in its actual meaning of being unable to speak because of it's "stupid" slang meaning so they substitute mute instead so no one will be offended.

Why would you - its what we (differently) understand. Not right or wrong - just different.