Trump vs Zelensky

Mike Krailo said:
So what I see here is weak pathetic democrats whining about anything and everything to do about Trump. This was a very bad decision on Z's part.
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Same as your previous deflection, same low bar, that as long as someone else is weaker. This is called a bias, commonly held to be invisible to the holder of said bias.
 
Isaac said:
The whole showing up in a tshirt, crossing his arms a lot, and bringing up things that had already been decided, and doing so in front of the cameras, was stupid on Z's part.
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Yeah, the terms of the meeting were clearly defined prior to z's visit. Z had an agenda and he executed it as planned.
 
I forgot rolling his eyes. I mean the more I think about it, the more he got what he deserved - or at least, was asking for
 
MarkK said:
Same as your previous deflection, same low bar, that as long as someone else is weaker. This is called a bias, commonly held to be invisible to the holder of said bias.
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We all are biased Mark, that's pretty obvious. Each seeing the same thing in a different way. Nothing can change that except maybe where you get your info from. Garbage in, garbage out.
 
My Secretary is on a flight from Fla. to DC with Lady G. she just texted us. People are not being nice to him.
 
moke123 said:
My Secretary is on a flight from Fla. to DC with Lady G. she just texted us. People are not being nice to him.
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I guess this is obvious to everyone? I'll just keep scratching my head wondering aloud.
 
moke123 said:
My Secretary is on a flight from Fla. to DC with Lady G. she just texted us. People are not being nice to him.
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Lady Gaga wtf?
Was this meant to go in your IM window at work - LOL
 
MarkK said:
Same as your previous deflection, same low bar, that as long as someone else is weaker. This is called a bias, commonly held to be invisible to the holder of said bias.
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No, that's not a bias. Let me explain how comparisons normally work, at least, in cases where Democrats are not desperately hoping you don't compare Trump to Biden for fear it might make their side look bad.
It’s interesting that when we compare Trump favorably to PersonA (past president, etc), we're accused of "whataboutism"—as if drawing comparisons is somehow evasive or irrelevant. But in reality, comparison is the very foundation of how we assess quality, progress, and excellence in every area of life.

We don’t judge things in a vacuum. Whether it’s evaluating athletes, employees, or even products, we naturally compare. If we say a basketball player today is better than one from a decade ago, no one scoffs and says, “It doesn’t matter what that player was like before—only focus on what you don’t like about this one.” No. We recognize that comparison provides context. It helps us measure improvement, appreciate strengths, and understand what’s changed for the better.

So when we highlight the ways in which Trump is the same, or better, or worse, than PersonA (Biden, Obama, etc) we're not avoiding a discussion—we're making an essential point: if progress matters, then so does recognizing when something is genuinely better. Ignoring comparison isn’t objectivity; it’s refusing to acknowledge the very process by which we evaluate anything at all...Stripping us, I'd say even, of the ability to evaluate in most all cases.

But I think you already knew all that. I'm just keeping my typing muscles strong.
 
moke123 said:
That's no way to go through life.

Lindsay Graham is on the plane and people are giving him shit. Is that easier to understand?
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Definitely easier to understand, sorry I don't frequent your liberal-satire sites to know "Lady G". (Do liberals even allow satire? That may not be a thing - whatever your version of the Babylon Bee is).
 
Isaac said:
Definitely easier to understand, sorry I don't frequent your liberal-satire sites to know "Lady G". (Do liberals even allow satire? That may not be a thing - whatever your version of the Babylon Bee is).
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I thought he was talking about Lady Ga Ga. Lol
 
I guess it's the left's way of making fun of Lindsay's sexual proclivities.
 
Focusing on Trump vs. Zelensky obscures what may really be behind this "dispute". Trump, for a long time, has been on a tirade that the members of NATO have to contribute more to the alliance, including the Ukraine even-though the Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Trump wants the Europeans to take greater responsibility for protecting Europe. As a consequence of this hissy fit many European leaders have come to the defense of Zelensky, but apparently have not made any substantive proposals for Ukrainian support beyond empty words. Trump may be indirectly "forcing" them to take greater involvement. Trump does not want the US to be the one providing the majority of Ukrainian support.
 
Ukraine seeks U.S. security both financially and militarily. Trump wants a return on our investment including mineral rights. Europe wants to continue its long 'holidays' and 'free healthcare' without getting its hands dirty, while Uncle Sap shoulders the load once again.
 
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