Trump Administration Predictions (4 Viewers)

Only Congress can declare war according to the Constitution. That hasn't stopped many previous presidents from taking aggressive actions against other nations which could have been construed as acts of war.

Trump should know that he can't "win" if he bombs Iran without Congressional approval. But all the bruhaha that will be raised because of this inference will give Iran the belief that Trump is bluffing and so they won't come to the table. Won't that make you happy? It worked so well over tariffs that we are still negotiating when that should have ended a month ago. Just keep making waves. You may think you are stopping Trump but the reality is you are giving aid and comfort to our enemies. A united America is unbeatable. Just keep dividing us.
America was united about Afghanistan, and we still lost.

If Trump wants Iran to think he is serious, he should go to Congress for authorization just like G W Bush did. And nothing is going to make Iran give up their nuclear program. The Iranians have seen what happened to Iraq, Libya and Ukraine.
 
My guess is that one of our assets will be struck, creating a situation where the U.S. and the world are in agreement effectively bypassing the need to go to Congress. This is how the game is played, regardless of who occupies the white house.
The Iranian government has been avoiding giving the US a Casus Belli. And their is not much world support for the attacking Iran.
 
My guess is that one of our assets will be struck,
If that happens, the gloves come off as they have with many earlier presidents. That would make this too easy. I think we should just sell Israel the bunker busters and then rent them a plane to deliver them. That what we did to stay out of WWII as long as we did.
 
America was united about Afghanistan, and we still lost.
We lost because we didn't play to win. We were nation building and that is simply not possible. You can't GIVE someone freedom. They have to earn it. In all of our history of nation building I don't believe that we have ever succeeded in that endeavor even once. We always seem to install a worse despot than we overthrew.

We haven't prosecuted a war to win since WWII.

At least we now have a President who isn't in the pocket of the military industrial complex and who has no interest in nation building, forever wars.
 
And their is not much world support for the attacking Iran.
You're wrong about that. Iran is a threat to the entire world, and especially the Middle East. Iran will use its atomic bomb as soon as it can. It has vowed to destroy Israel because they are Jews and it will, consequences be damned. Saudi Arabia will eventually have to finish the job if Israel doesn't do it first.
 
We lost because we didn't play to win. We were nation building and that is simply not possible. You can't GIVE someone freedom. They have to earn it. In all of our history of nation building I don't believe that we have ever succeeded in that endeavor even once. We always seem to install a worse despot than we overthrew.

We haven't prosecuted a war to win since WWII.

At least we now have a President who isn't in the pocket of the military industrial complex and who has no interest in nation building, forever wars.
We have a President who does not have the guts to cancel the F-35 and is contemplating starting another forever war. The difference between rhetoric and reality is extreme for Trump.
 
You're wrong about that. Iran is a threat to the entire world, and especially the Middle East. Iran will use its atomic bomb as soon as it can. It has vowed to destroy Israel because they are Jews and it will, consequences be damned. Saudi Arabia will eventually have to finish the job if Israel doesn't do it first.
Name the country other than Israel who is calling for the US to do this.
 
The Iranian government has been avoiding giving the US a Casus Belli. And their is not much world support for the attacking Iran.

I agree with the first statement. Iran can see what is happening with the Houthi attacks near the Hormuz Straits. They see that if the Houthis fire on a U.S. asset, they get bombed really fast and they lose more assets. And we don't wait for Congress to act.

As to the second statement, the relative silence on the current actions by Israel, including no more than pro-forma protests by some Islamic countries, indicates that nobody is supporting Iran, either. It's like in grade school where everyone looks away when a bully gets soundly thrashed. Nobody will join in on either side of the thrashing. And nobody will be cheering for the bully.
 
Name the country other than Israel who is calling for the US to do this.
Doc nailed it. If you think any Muslim country would come out and stand with Israel, I want some of what you are smoking. But they are all petrified of the fall out (of all kinds) that will result from a nuclear attack on Israel. The European countries don't want to divert attention from the Great and Little Satans to themselves so they're being quiet also.
 
If you think any Muslim country would come out and stand with Israel, I want some of what you are smoking.
  • Security Cooperation: A de facto Arab-Israeli alliance has emerged, driven by concerns about Iran's regional influence. This has led to unofficial cooperation, particularly on security issues, between some Arab states and Israel.
 
I agree and that's why I said Saudi Arabia will finish the job if it needs to. Doesn't mean they will say anything out loud unless they absolutely have to. They have embedded terrorists and anti-government agitators also and don't want to get them riled up. The Saudi king is on weak ground as it is.
 
I agree and that's why I said Saudi Arabia will finish the job if it needs to. Doesn't mean they will say anything out loud unless they absolutely have to. They have embedded terrorists and anti-government agitators also and don't want to get them riled up. The Saudi king is on weak ground as it is.
Saudi Arabia recently reestablished diplomatic relations with Iran. Their big concern is Iran closing the strait of Hormuz which deny them their oil revenue.

Pat, what is your source for the secret deliberations of the Saudi government? Here what the Saudis are actually saying.

Saudi Arabia was the first Arab nation to speak out against the attacks, stating that the Kingdom “expresses its strong condemnation and denunciation of the blatant Israeli aggressions against the brotherly Islamic Republic of Iran, which undermine its sovereignty and security and constitute a clear violation of international laws and norms,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Friday.

The statement added: “While the Kingdom condemns these heinous attacks, it affirms that the international community and the (UN) Security Council bear a great responsibility to immediately halt this aggression.”
The ruler of Saudi Arabia, Mahmud bin Salman is in solid control.

No other nation is happy with the current Iranian government, but does not mean they want a war. In any case, if Trump wants an AUMF, he need to go to congress, just G W Bush did.
 
The Progressives among us think that there is no such thing as US Culture. They think that because we don't have people dancing while wearing quaint costumes that we have no culture. I guess they haven't seen a line dance or the Texas 2-step at a country dance bar. Or gone to a wedding were we now do several stupid dances. Or various places around the country where square dancing (imported from England by the early settlers) is still popular. The South has the most pronounced cuisine although there are regional specialties around the country. New England has two kinds of clam chowder as well as lobster rolls. There are regional variations of the "sub" and they're all called something different - hoagie, grinder, sub, and more. The strangest regional difference I ran into was when I ordered a coke in Nashville and the waitress asked if I wanted Root Beer, Orange, or cola. Apparently "coke" is generic for "soda" in Nashville;)
I really appreciate this comment, because I feel the exact same way. I don't appreciate when people assume that America is only a melting pot of other people's cultures and has no culture of its own. Well gee, every new country builds its culture little by little over time. And all countries are bits of borrowed cultures as well as homegrown aspects.

I can say I wish Japanese tourists followed American culture just as much as they can say they wish American tourists followed Japanese culture.
 
Has anyone noticed that Trump is now claiming he can start a war with Iran, despite the Constitution and his own campaign promises.

Write your congressman to support the Massie/Khanna resolution to require consulting with Congress before we go to war.

It is rather strange to me how many people believe that Congress, a slow, democratic lumbering ox ... is the appropriate venue for a decision about beginning a military action, something which has to behave at lightning speeds.
 
The Saudi's hate the Iranians. The Iranians are loose cannons and wouldn't think twice about blocking the strait to interfere with oil shipments. What are the Saudi's going to say in public?

The Saudi royal family made a pact with the devil a long time ago. They rule only as long as the Wahabis retain religious control.
 
It is rather strange to me how many people believe that Congress, a slow, democratic lumbering ox ... is the appropriate venue for a decision about beginning a military action, something which has to behave at lightning speeds.
We're talking about a first strike situation, not a retaliatory action. If Iran throws a clump of dirt at one of our ships, they're dead meat. We are talking about the US taking out a nuclear installation when there has been no previous attack on our homeland. Many presidents have taken "first strikes" without the authorization of Congress. That's why we can't ever call these forever wars "wars" because only Congress can declare war.
 

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