Trump Administration Predictions (4 Viewers)

Regarding the question of "who supports Iran" I offer this commentator's post.


About 8 minutes into the post, there is a discussion regarding the Islamic forces sitting on the sidelines.
 
It is rather strange to me how many people believe that Congress, a slow, democratic lumbering ox ... is the appropriate venue for a decision about beginning a military action, something which has to behave at lightning speeds.
If you think that we need faster decision-making call for a constitutional amendment.

Wars often last years. Only aggressors need to achieve initial surprise. Note that security treaties (ratified by the Senate) allow the US to move rapidly to defend our allies. Launching wars of choice needs careful consideration.
 
Post World War II, all U.S. wars and military conflicts have been undeclared, and they’ve been carried out under both Republican and Democratic presidents.

Are you sensing a theme here? ;)
 
If you think that we need faster decision-making call for a constitutional amendment.

If I recall my history correctly, it didn't take Congress long to declare war on Japan in December of 1941. They gave Roosevelt his declaration of war within a day, and it didn't take long for Germany to become part of the picture either. Congress CAN move quickly when needed.
 
If you think that we need faster decision-making call for a constitutional amendment.

Wars often last years. Only aggressors need to achieve initial surprise. Note that security treaties (ratified by the Senate) allow the US to move rapidly to defend our allies. Launching wars of choice needs careful consideration.
I don't think that's very workable, since the concept of 'declaring war' is outdated and mostly obsolete. Surprise is an element that works in your favor the whole time, not just at the beginning. But regardless, the days of official "We hereby declare war on __" is mostly over I think.

 
If I recall my history correctly, it didn't take Congress long to declare war on Japan in December of 1941. They gave Roosevelt his declaration of war within a day, and it didn't take long for Germany to become part of the picture either. Congress CAN move quickly when needed.

I'm sure it's possible.
It's theoretically also possible that someday my HOA starts trimming the trees near the mailboxes with our hard earned $118/mo.
 
"We hereby declare war on __" is mostly over I think.
I hope not. I have always objected to us taking the first shot without a formal declaration. They can be seconds apart. We don't need to give the enemies warning or any advance notice but the Constitution gave the power to declare war to Congress for a reason and I agree with it. I think the official technique might be to call the other country's Ambassador to the White House and tell him he's at war as the bombs are on their way to target.

The President is at liberty to shoot back as hard as he deems necessary without getting permission from anyone but shooting first is a whole different matter.
 
It's theoretically also possible that someday my HOA starts trimming the trees near the mailboxes with our hard earned $118/mo

Actually, it is quite likely. HOWEVER, the trees the HOA trims will be the ones that provided your house with shade during the summer months.
 
I don't think that's very workable, since the concept of 'declaring war' is outdated and mostly obsolete. Surprise is an element that works in your favor the whole time, not just at the beginning. But regardless, the days of official "We hereby declare war on __" is mostly over I think.

You seem to have a lot of problems with our obsolete constitution. Are you proposing amendments or the overthrow of the US government?
 
You seem to have a lot of problems with our obsolete constitution. Are you proposing amendments or the overthrow of the US government?
Actually that's the tiny liberal bone in my body exercising what the liberals are usually in favor of, which is seeing the constitution as a living document with plenty of room to interpret in light of modern society. But, I don't go too far in that direction.

But whether you see the Constitution that way or not, it says declaring war, and we haven't declared war. If you want to be literal, be literal.
 
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It would be one thing if Presidents used the war powers act, but they don't. It's all been undeclared since 1945
The war powers act is unconstitutional. Congress can't just pass a law to do an end run around the Constitution. If they want to curtail the President's powers, they need to do it with an amendment which would never be passed. But who knows. Who would have thought prohibition could happen. It's pretty amazing how it was perfectly OK for Obama to order drone strikes to kill American citizens without the approval of Congress, seems like taking out a clear threat to America's security shouldn't be cause for impeachment for 47.

Trump did talk to members of Congress before ordering the strike. He just couldn't include any Democrats in the conversation since one of they would have called Iran and warned them and that would have put the whole mission in jeopardy. It' pretty amazing how many Dems have come out in favor of the strike. As I said yesterday, it was pretty amazing how the guests on the CNN coverage Saturday evening were pretty positive about the whole thing.
 
The war powers act is unconstitutional. Congress can't just pass a law to do an end run around the Constitution. If they want to curtail the President's powers, they need to do it with an amendment which would never be passed. But who knows. Who would have thought prohibition could happen. It's pretty amazing how it was perfectly OK for Obama to order drone strikes to kill American citizens without the approval of Congress, seems like taking out a clear threat to America's security shouldn't be cause for impeachment for 47.

Trump did talk to members of Congress before ordering the strike. He just couldn't include any Democrats in the conversation since one of they would have called Iran and warned them and that would have put the whole mission in jeopardy. It' pretty amazing how many Dems have come out in favor of the strike. As I said yesterday, it was pretty amazing how the guests on the CNN coverage Saturday evening were pretty positive about the whole thing.
The Constitution assigns the power to declare war to the Congress. The President has no authority to initiate military action. I am going to quote Abraham Lincoln on this.

The provision of the Constitution giving the war-making power to Congress, was dictated, as I understand it, by the following reasons. Kings had always been involved and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object. This our Convention understood to be the most oppressive of all Kingly oppressions; and they resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man should hold the power of bringing this oppression upon us. But your view destroys the whole matter, and places our President where kings have always stood.
 
The Constitution assigns the power to declare war to the Congress. The President has no authority to initiate military action. I am going to quote Abraham Lincoln on this.
Another mischaracterization. You are inappropriately conflating two events. The president has the authority to initiate a military action without a declaration of war. Congress does have the power to declare a war but that is is independent of the authority of the president to initiate a military action.

 
Another mischaracterization. You are inappropriately conflating two events. The president has the authority to initiate a military action without a declaration of war. Congress does have the power to declare a war but that is is independent of the authority of the president to initiate a military action.

Where in the Constitution does the President have the authority initiate military action? Are you saying that the authority of the Congress is nominal. Cite the Constitution, not Fox News videos.
 

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