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If the votes are arriving late, the counting is not finished.

That is the crux of the argument. If there is a due date and ballots arrive later than that, WAS the counting finished on the due date or not?

There are two laws involved, the election's due date and the rule regarding late-arriving ballots. Their implications are opposite each other. So this is not SCOTUS making a law. It is deciding which of two conflicting laws will prevail.

The law was passed by the heavily Republican legislature of the state of the Mississippi in 2020.

RINOs or dupes.
 
Bottom line: all mail-in ballots should be received not just postmarked by Election Day, with no grace period. This could help standardize the process and improve confidence in the system, as neither side would have a clear advantage.
That would require a change in Federal law, which explicitly allows military ballots to be received late.

Note that a received by Election Day standard would not significantly speed up voting results, as the counting can't begin until the polls close and most of the ballots already arrive by election day.
 
That is the crux of the argument. If there is a due date and ballots arrive later than that, WAS the counting finished on the due date or not?

There are two laws involved, the election's due date and the rule regarding late-arriving ballots. Their implications are opposite each other. So this is not SCOTUS making a law. It is deciding which of two conflicting laws will prevail.


RINOs or dupes.
Mail voting tends to be used more in Republican-leaning rural areas.

The question does the word "cast" mean what is has been interpreted as meaning for the past 150 years or what the snowflakes in the MAGA movement use as their current excuse for losing elections.
 
That would require a change in Federal law, which explicitly allows military ballots to be received late.

Understood, but that merely obfuscates the problem.

You have an election. There is an "election day" by which date you must vote, in person or by prior absentee ballots, in order for that vote to count. Federal law allows a grace period AFTER the election for military ballots. There are also laws about using the US Mail, and the "postmark" law applies, too. But those grace periods, however they are worded, CANNOT be indefinite. At some point, you MUST declare an election result because the system is geared to produce a result by thus-and-such a date in order for that result to be implemented. A late ballot can't hold up a process where an office must be filled or an infrastructure building process must begin or a law must be enacted...

So the question has to take into account that your federal grace period merely kicks the can down the road regarding the final goal of an election. The final question remains: At what point is the election process finished such that subsequently arriving ballots must be discarded?

You have a grace period by law and you have an election completion date, also by law. In the case that they don't align, you have a conflict of laws. Which one wins? If that isn't a fair question, then elections mean nothing. Government is about deciding issues. If you delay that decision, you can't do so indefinitely without thwarting the purpose of holding an election. It would be the equivalent of a filibuster as a tactic to stop something from happening - and that would mean the end of a functioning government.

Once the "grace period vs. decision date" question is decided, a voter's failure to take into account any delays inherent in his/her chosen voting process cannot be called "voter disenfranchisement" - it is either bad luck or voter negligence.
 
....or what the snowflakes in the MAGA movement use as their current excuse for losing elections.

When democrats lose.......

Hillary Clinton—questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election, citing Russian interference and voter suppression concerns
Jimmy Carter—raised concerns about election security vulnerabilities and foreign interference risks
Hakeem Jeffries—questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election in light of Russian interference
John Lewis—stated he did not consider the 2016 election outcome legitimate due to Russian interference
Barbara Lee—objected to Electoral College certification, citing concerns about voter suppression
Maxine Waters—objected to Electoral College certification and raised concerns about election irregularities
Sheila Jackson Lee—objected to Electoral College certification citing voting rights concerns
Stacey Abrams—claimed the 2018 Georgia governor race was unfair due to voter suppression and election administration issues
Al Gore—contested the 2000 election results in Florida over recount and ballot-counting disputes
Bernie Sanders—raised concerns about fairness in the 2016 Democratic primary process
Jamie Raskin—objected to 2016 Electoral College certification citing concerns about foreign interference
 

When democrats lose.......

Hillary Clinton—questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election, citing Russian interference and voter suppression concerns
Jimmy Carter—raised concerns about election security vulnerabilities and foreign interference risks
Hakeem Jeffries—questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election in light of Russian interference
John Lewis—stated he did not consider the 2016 election outcome legitimate due to Russian interference
Barbara Lee—objected to Electoral College certification, citing concerns about voter suppression
Maxine Waters—objected to Electoral College certification and raised concerns about election irregularities
Sheila Jackson Lee—objected to Electoral College certification citing voting rights concerns
Stacey Abrams—claimed the 2018 Georgia governor race was unfair due to voter suppression and election administration issues
Al Gore—contested the 2000 election results in Florida over recount and ballot-counting disputes
Bernie Sanders—raised concerns about fairness in the 2016 Democratic primary process
Jamie Raskin—objected to 2016 Electoral College certification citing concerns about foreign interference
All of them combined don't add up the current fiction. Good job on getting AI to do some research though.
 
Understood, but that merely obfuscates the problem.

You have an election. There is an "election day" by which date you must vote, in person or by prior absentee ballots, in order for that vote to count. Federal law allows a grace period AFTER the election for military ballots. There are also laws about using the US Mail, and the "postmark" law applies, too. But those grace periods, however they are worded, CANNOT be indefinite. At some point, you MUST declare an election result because the system is geared to produce a result by thus-and-such a date in order for that result to be implemented. A late ballot can't hold up a process where an office must be filled or an infrastructure building process must begin or a law must be enacted...

So the question has to take into account that your federal grace period merely kicks the can down the road regarding the final goal of an election. The final question remains: At what point is the election process finished such that subsequently arriving ballots must be discarded?

You have a grace period by law and you have an election completion date, also by law. In the case that they don't align, you have a conflict of laws. Which one wins? If that isn't a fair question, then elections mean nothing. Government is about deciding issues. If you delay that decision, you can't do so indefinitely without thwarting the purpose of holding an election. It would be the equivalent of a filibuster as a tactic to stop something from happening - and that would mean the end of a functioning government.

Once the "grace period vs. decision date" question is decided, a voter's failure to take into account any delays inherent in his/her chosen voting process cannot be called "voter disenfranchisement" - it is either bad luck or voter negligence.
The law in Mississippi allows for a 5 day grace period. Your might prefer a shorter period, but this hardly seems to be the grounds for calling them "dupes" or "Progressive Liberals".
 
When democrats lose.......

Hillary Clinton—questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election, citing Russian interference and voter suppression concerns
Jimmy Carter—raised concerns about election security vulnerabilities and foreign interference risks
Hakeem Jeffries—questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election in light of Russian interference
John Lewis—stated he did not consider the 2016 election outcome legitimate due to Russian interference
Barbara Lee—objected to Electoral College certification, citing concerns about voter suppression
Maxine Waters—objected to Electoral College certification and raised concerns about election irregularities
Sheila Jackson Lee—objected to Electoral College certification citing voting rights concerns
Stacey Abrams—claimed the 2018 Georgia governor race was unfair due to voter suppression and election administration issues
Al Gore—contested the 2000 election results in Florida over recount and ballot-counting disputes
Bernie Sanders—raised concerns about fairness in the 2016 Democratic primary process
Jamie Raskin—objected to 2016 Electoral College certification citing concerns about foreign interference
I think you just proved my point about the "snowflake" right catching up with the "snowflake" left. Do you have excuses ready for the 2026 election?
 
I think you just proved my point about the "snowflake" right catching up with the "snowflake" left. Do you have excuses ready for the 2026 election?
No, doesn't the party in power usually lose seats during off year elections?
 
The law in Mississippi allows for a 5 day grace period. Your might prefer a shorter period, but this hardly seems to be the grounds for calling them "dupes" or "Progressive Liberals".

The issue is when there is some conflict between the grace period and the drop-dead date. I understood from the articles I read that someone is trying to say that votes received after the drop-dead date are somehow disenfranchising voters. I actually don't care when the case is that the grace period doesn't extend beyond the drop-dead date. The ones who want to exceed the drop-dead date are the chowderheads.
 
The issue is when there is some conflict between the grace period and the drop-dead date. I understood from the articles I read that someone is trying to say that votes received after the drop-dead date are somehow disenfranchising voters. I actually don't care when the case is that the grace period doesn't extend beyond the drop-dead date. The ones who want to exceed the drop-dead date are the chowderheads.
All they have to do is get their damn ballots in by voting day. It's like paying a bill. If received after the due date then interest and late charges are assessed. What's so hard?
 
Out of the context of your TDS, I would think.
I don't have TDS Doc. That does beg the question though, do any of y'all know Trump Supporters that are questioning the MAGA movement or turning on Trump?
I see signs of it, but I think the embarrassment of the closet door is causing them anxiety. Although, I do know others that are still drinking cool aid.
I never thought MTG would end up on the right side of things.
It goes to show that there is yet, still hope.
 
No, doesn't the party in power usually lose seats during off year elections?
That is the cost of playing to your base. In our lifetime no other president is in the same conman-lies- spending league as Donald Trump. Hopefully the revolt will be enough to dissolve part of his base.
Sadly, mostly for them, the entrenched have exhibited and unusual resilience, historical even.
 
That is the cost of playing to your base.
It’s the reality of politics: the party in power usually loses seats. It’s not a mystery or a conspiracy, it’s just history.

If the Democrats want to take the White House back in ’28, they’ll need to be able to define what a woman is and what a king is.
Those two questions might be on the test. I don’t expect Gavin to be up to the task.
 
...do any of y'all know Trump Supporters that are questioning the MAGA movement or turning on Trump?
Yes, there are people turning on Trump every day. I would support full unredacted release of all Epstein material period, along with the firing of Bondi and Kash.

A very short list of things that still matter to me.

Election integrity, voter ID, and immigration enforcement remain major issues. America First, education reform, transgender issues, and removing DEI from the military and other government position are also key priorities.
 
Fingerprints on your ID aren't much of a problem for me any more, but when I had to maintain a security clearance, my last couple of rounds became tricky. When I went to the security station to get my updated CAC (smart-card, computer access card), my fingerprints didn't match the old one from about four years earlier. The electronic reader didn't know me. Fortunately, they had a senior operator who had seen this before. He pulled the print from the card chip and the print from the reader to do a side-by-side comparison. To keep it short, my fingers had become wrinkled due to age, so my current prints had extra vertical lines. But the underlying ridges and whorls matched, so the guy updated my records.
It WAS a bit unsettling to find that my fingerprints said I wasn't me. One of those existential moments, I guess.
I'm really surprised that that had such an effect. I always thought fingerprints were permanent
 

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