Habemus papam!

[AccessBlaster]

And yet, 72% of Americans agree with me that left Twix is just objectively better.

 

[Isaac]

So? This isn't about charity. the vast amount of government spending is about employment. Employment creates domestic product. The more contribution the wealthiest make, and the more that is distributed (pay checks) to the lower classes, the more the economy thrives. people that believe that the wealthiest pay enough, are saying they are happy paying more.

My comment was largely directed at @The_Doc_Man 's repeated suggestions that if a person were a true or real Christian, they would support a leftwing socialist type economic policy. So yeah - the topic was 100% about charity vs. government redistribution. This was about faith vs. charity vs. socialism.
I seem to have to continue to educate people on the reality that the Bible does not tell people what kind of government they must set up, but it does tell people to be generous to the poor. (Which by the way, "Poor" in Jesus Christ's day meant stuff like your husband had died and you couldn't - literally couldn't - work and you would physically starve to death within weeks if people did not give you money. the Bible's frequent reference to "orphans and widows" meant something drastically different than today's "poor people" inclusive of all kinds of shenanigans - but I'm not even addressing that here)

 

[Isaac]

and the more that is distributed (pay checks) to the lower classes, the more the economy thrives.

I do agree with that, although I have no idea how you conflated the wealthy contributing with paychecks coming to the lower claseses.
Paychecks come from WORKING, and I agree - the economy thrives when people get off their keister and work.

 

[Isaac]

Probably the dumbest thing I'll hear today, oh wait Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom have yet to speak. I'll reserve my judgment.

Why does every time Bass speaks, she looks, acts, and sounds like she just crawled up out of the street to grab the mike?
Something is seriously wrong with her, and I think I know what it is, I think she has a good friend, jack daniels.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Why does every time Bass speaks, she looks, acts, and sounds like she just crawled up out of the street to grab the mike?
Something is seriously wrong with her, and I think I know what it is, I think she has a good friend, jack daniels.

In the seventies she was a good friend with Fidel.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Employment creates domestic product.

Government employments creates nothing. The government must take money from tax payers in order to pay its employees. The more bloated the government is, the more money it must confiscate via taxes to support itself.

"That government which governs least, governs best."
Franklin?

Birds of the feather.

So your friends all have guns too?

And wishing bad on someone because they don't drink your cool aid is pretty low.

I wasn't wishing ill on you. Personally, I wish that nothing bad happens to anyone, even you. I was voicing a preference. If the people you are OK with entering the country illegally decide they want to set off a dirty bomb, I have a strong preference for it to occur in the neighborhood of the people responsible for letting the bad guys in.

Owning and using either one is a government-granted PRIVILEGE.

Sorry Doc, that isn't the way the Constitution works. All rights not specified in the Constitution belong to the people. The government inserts itself into our daily lives to "protect us" or to take money from us in the form of fees. In this case it is both. Traffic and safety laws on the roads and the see are to protect us. "Fees" are just another way to raise money to support their spending habit.

 

[Pat Hartman]

And yet, 72% of the people of the USA agree with me.

About what? Do you take your own polls now?

 

[The_Doc_Man]

All rights not specified in the Constitution belong to the people.

Sorry, Pat, but I have to correct you. The exact wording of the 10th Amendment is:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-10/

Driving boats or cars is a non-delegated, non-prohibited ability. I.e. not mentioned at all in the constitution or the bill of rights. The states have intervened on this one AND they have the right to do so since the licensing is not prohibited. In fact, because of the stated order of reservation, the states got first option on that issue - and they obviously HAVE exercised the option. Driving boats or cars is a government-granted privilege. One can perhaps argue over how that got started, but that is the way it is treated now.

 

[Pat Hartman]

If you give them an inch, they take a mile We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I have an inalienable right to drive a vehicle. The State may regulate this and say that I can't drive on THEIR roads without a license, etc. Children can drive all sorts of dangerous vehicles. They just can't drive on city streets because they and/or their vehicle are not street legal. Children who grow up on farms, drive all over the farm, just not on public roads.

 

[Thales750]

I have an inalienable right to drive a vehicle.

On your own property. Not on bublic roads.

 

[Thales750]

Government employments creates nothing.
Math is not really one your strongest subjects, is it?

 

[Pat Hartman]

On your own property. Not on bublic roads.

I guess you didn't bother to read my whole statement.

Also, what happens when the producers decide to not produce anything? There is an interesting way the rich reduce their tax burden. Instead of cashing in their assets, they borrow against them. The interest rate is always far less than even long term capital gains tax. The other thing they do is move to some less tax heavy jurisdiction like Singapore.

 

[Thales750]

About what? Do you take your own polls now?

Key facts about Americans and guns

About six-in-ten U.S. adults (58%) favor stricter gun laws. Another 26% say that U.S. gun laws are about right, while 15% favor less strict gun laws.

www.pewresearch.org

You are clearly in the minority. Like 15% agree with you. Maybe that's why you're so loud about it.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I have an inalienable right to drive a vehicle.

No, you don't.

Your "farm usage" is a general exception built into a state's driving laws. There is another general exception for military men who do not have a state driver's license but their military job (and training) involves driving military vehicles. My mother grew up on a farm and explained to me how her brothers taught her to drive a tractor. Officers know that farm equipment is generally excepted for driver's licenses and other related factors.

If an officer stops you from exercising your inalienable right to drive a car without a license, you will not get very far. Ditto if you exercise that inalienable right to drive your car while inebriated. Inalienable rights CANNOT be situationally revoked without probable cause. If you get stopped for any other traffic violation and are found to be inebriated or without a license, your right to drive a car gets alienated quickly. And that's not possible if the right is inalienable. YOU can agree to disagree. I won't join you in that sentiment.

If you go by the Declaration of Independence, our inalienable rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But none of those terms are specifically defined further in that so eloquent document. I don't see "drive a car" in either the "liberty" or "pursuit of happiness" clauses.

 

[AngelSpeaks]

No, you don't.

Your "farm usage" is a general exception built into a state's driving laws. There is another general exception for military men who do not have a state driver's license but their military job (and training) involves driving military vehicles. My mother grew up on a farm and explained to me how her brothers taught her to drive a tractor. Officers know that farm equipment is generally excepted for driver's licenses and other related factors.

If an officer stops you from exercising your inalienable right to drive a car without a license, you will not get very far. Ditto if you exercise that inalienable right to drive your car while inebriated. Inalienable rights CANNOT be situationally revoked without probable cause. If you get stopped for any other traffic violation and are found to be inebriated or without a license, your right to drive a car gets alienated quickly. And that's not possible if the right is inalienable. YOU can agree to disagree. I won't join you in that sentiment.

If you go by the Declaration of Independence, our inalienable rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But none of those terms are specifically defined further in that so eloquent document. I don't see "drive a car" ineither the "liberty" or "pursuit of happiness" clauses.

Doc, I think Pat says her inalienable right to drive can be prohibited on public property

 

[Isaac]

I don't see "drive a car" in either the "liberty" or "pursuit of happiness" clauses.

I hate driving nowadays. I've done too many road trips in my time already - way too many
and airports, forgettaboudit - absolutely despise going through airports, but still frequently have to

 

[Pat Hartman]

Doc, I think Pat says her inalienable right to drive can be prohibited on public property

Nobody else seems to have been able to put the two thoughts together. This is one of those "rights" that has been completely taken away from us due to "safety reasons". You also can't ride a horse or a bicycle on a highway. Bicycles and horses get some latitude on non-busy streets. Some small towns actually allow golf carts in the downtown area but most don't.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Well, we DO have to remember that when cars were first introduced, some areas required that you have a flag-bearer ride ahead on a horse to warn folks to tend to their horses while that noisy machine drove by.

Doc, I think Pat says her inalienable right to drive can be prohibited on public property

Not if the HOA gets involved.

 

[Isaac]

I wish I coiuld prohibit street parking in my neighborhood. That sounds drastic until you see it first hand - many places in the street it's SO bad that you can BARELY pass a single car - never mind 2 can't pass almost anywhere. and people have 3 car garages on most homes in my street! They are so lazy their garage is full of junk as a storage shed, their cars on the streets.
3 car garage, 2 spaces on the driveway, and you still have to park all over the street - boggles my mind

 

[Isaac]

Nobody else seems to have been able to put the two thoughts together. This is one of those "rights" that has been completely taken away from us due to "safety reasons". You also can't ride a horse or a bicycle on a highway. Bicycles and horses get some latitude on non-busy streets. Some small towns actually allow golf carts in the downtown area but most don't.

One of my dreams is to own a golf cart and use it for being mobile in a small, suburban idyllic type of town. Maybe when I retire.
Only I don't want to pay extra to live on a golf course, as I don't golf. I just want to ride the cart.