Click Farms

[The_Doc_Man]

The issue was that my action wasn't about the topic of Click Farms. The thread started to divert back to the same toxic topic that lit the fire under the Politics & Current Events section. If all we do is move an incendiary topic from one thread to another, we haven't addressed the underlying problem. We MUST learn to let go of some topics. I stopped the thread diversion and hated doing it but the point had to be made. Jon killed two threads and then killed the entire Politics & Current Events forum because of the heat being generated from that same diversion topic.

Can we talk about politics? Maybe so, maybe not - and now that the example has been set, maybe I'll go back into a corner for a while and contemplate having performed an unpleasant action on two people I happen to like and respect. But at the time I felt it was necessary.

 

[BlueSpruce]

Can we talk about politics? Maybe so, maybe not

Geez Doc, where does the censoring start and end? I feel compelled to block the Watercooler and all other non-tech AWF forums, and take my constructive and respectful political and religious posts to a different social platform that's not going to give into intimidation by the thought police.

BTW, the post about AWF on the DevHut site has been restored, this time with an addendum explanation by the owner of why the thread was restored:

https://www.devhut.net/the-shuttere...d-the-wavering-future-of-access-world-forums/

 

[AngelSpeaks]

Geez Doc, where does the censoring start and end? I feel compelled to block the Watercooler and all other non-tech AWF forums, and take my constructive and respectful political and religious posts to a different social platform that's not going to give into intimidation by the thought police.

BTW, the post about AWF on the DevHut site has been restored, this time with an addendum explanation by the owner of why the thread was restored:

https://www.devhut.net/the-shuttere...d-the-wavering-future-of-access-world-forums/

AWF is not your enemy. A certain law in a certain country could bankrupt Jon. We need to protect him.

 

[BlueSpruce]

AWF is not your enemy. A certain law in a certain country could bankrupt Jon. We need to protect him.

I never felt AWF is my enemy, but I am not going to let the thought police tread on my rights. Therefore, I will move my personal opinion posts to a different social platform so as to not increase Jon's risk, and only post in AWF tech-related forums until the wheels fall off. I am now going to block all AWF non-tech related forums. Good luck and Good Bye!

 

[Isaac]

The issue was that my action wasn't about the topic of Click Farms. The thread started to divert back to the same toxic topic that lit the fire under the Politics & Current Events section. If all we do is move an incendiary topic from one thread to another, we haven't addressed the underlying problem. We MUST learn to let go of some topics. I stopped the thread diversion and hated doing it but the point had to be made. Jon killed two threads and then killed the entire Politics & Current Events forum because of the heat being generated from that same diversion topic.

Can we talk about politics? Maybe so, maybe not - and now that the example has been set, maybe I'll go back into a corner for a while and contemplate having performed an unpleasant action on two people I happen to like and respect. But at the time I felt it was necessary.

I see what you mean Doc
My problem is I've always been the type of person who mostly enjoys conversation about pretty serious topics (which inevitably wander into either something spiritual or something at least partly political), I don't enjoy discussing routers, tensor chips, or the latest iphone screen size. But I will learn to enjoy those things for the benefit of AWF and try to stop taking bait , I promise , though nothing I said was offfensive or phobic I see what you mean about avoid the topic that seems to keep inflaming

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Geez Doc, where does the censoring start and end?

I honestly don't know. The OSA is having the effect as throwing a heavy wrench into a big gearbox. Maybe I jumped the gun on this one, though there are those who agreed that something HAD to be done about the developing problem. Jon doesn't have his "moderator of moderators" and now more than ever, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it, yet but we had a problem that needed fast action. Made me sick to my stomach to do the very thing I don't think is right - censoring a political discussion. If we believe that history repeats itself, then we had to consider that the conversation was veering towards the same topic that tore apart a whole forum topic, and we can't afford that. I definitely felt a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

I've since DM'd with Jon and we can use the Watercooler but we have to be really careful about argument escalation. When does the censoring start and end? You can trace the start to the posts Jon made regarding the OSA coming into effect. The end? Damn if I know... maybe when the UK Parliament realizes that the OSA is a burden on freedom and repeals it. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[AngelSpeaks]

If all the non-technical forums are removed, there will be no confusion and no need for a moderator of moderators.

Agreed. Some members can't behave in the Watercooler either.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

If all the non-technical forums are removed, there will be no confusion and no need for a moderator of moderators.

Hijacking of a technical thread with a political comment is not unknown and has happened several times.

 

[Jon]

Personally, I am looking forward to reinstating the Politics forum once there is a change of government and a repeal of the Online Safety Act. I liked the free-flowing discussion, even if it got a little heated at times. Meanwhile, we have to exercise caution to avoid site closure.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Pat, we have exchanged DMs on this subject. You know why I did what I did. I will not post any of that dirty laundry.

I wish you well. I'm truly sorry to see you go. But my reasons for doing what I did still seem valid to me.

 

[Edgar_]

Obama or Biden also renamed Mt McKinley back to Denali. Not to mention supporting the tearing down of "hateful" statues. The renaming done by the Dems is always to the determent of our founding fathers who they now consider to be hateful slave owners or to southern Civil War heros. And the Arabs somehow got away with renaming the Persian Gulf to the Arabian Gulf during the last Gulf War. Did you complain about that? You are very willing to be offended by anything Trump does but let the "thing" slide when it is done by someone else.

I don't even disagree with you. I've said several times, that I object to the name Trump chose. Gulf of the Americas would have been all encompassing and included Mexico since Mexico is part of the Americas. But, Trump was not feeling very loving given Mexico's collusion with the cartels in recent years and elected to pi** off Mexico. Petty, but meaningless in the greater scheme of things.

Wonder how many historical figures MLK Blvd replaced when it was all the rage for big cities to "recognize" MLK who the Dems seem to hate these days. Did you object to any of those street names changing?

Place names change all the time, sometimes for positive reasons, and sometimes for petty reasons. If you are going to sit in judgement of Trump over this, maybe you should go back and review a few frequently quoted bible verses.

Let me list just two of those bible verses that way too many people here have forgotten about.

Judge not, lest thee be judged.

Let those among you who is without sin cast the first stone.

I have reported this whole thing. Greetings.

 

[Isaac]

I have reported this whole thing. Greetings.

I can see that, I don't doubt that you would.

 

[BlueSpruce]

Personally, I am looking forward to reinstating the Politics forum once there is a change of government and a repeal of the Online Safety Act. I liked the free-flowing discussion, even if it got a little heated at times. Meanwhile, we have to exercise caution to avoid site closure.

Today I saw on Fareed Sakaria's GPS show a segment on how European Nations are increasing censorship and the effect its having on online networks and individuals. Sakaria said governments are currently on a witch hunt to penalize violators to deter others.

 

[ColinEssex]

Today I saw on Fareed Sakaria's GPS show a segment on how European Nations are increasing censorship and the effect its having on online networks and individuals. Sakaria said governments are currently on a witch hunt to penalize violators to deter others.

The UK is not part of Europe.
Col

 

[BlueSpruce]

The UK is not part of Europe.
Col

Fareed also mentioned the UK specifically. I am unable to find a link to the video of that discussion. Maybe you can locate it later on when they publish it.