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NauticalGent
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Quite right. Read the comments, seems he is already not recommending Access to new clients. Makes me wonder what which FE I should start learning for my clients who use SQLServer/SP BE's...
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Yes after the update desaster last week today our Access ERP application has stopped working againMust be bad if he is posting stuff like that.
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I hope you are right...
Lately I see so many complaints about bugs in Microsoft updates.
But unfortunately most people forget how quick a patch or another update is out to cover the bug. (though the new update may cause another problem). At least Microsoft is quick. They listen to the submitted complaints and do their best to correct their mistakes as soon as possible.
You may not know, But for those of us who work in CAD systems, every update is a disaster. Last January D'assault published a new update that caused Catia & Solidworks ( 2 most famous CAD software) fail to create mirror parts. Ever since they have sent out 3 service packs to correct the problem, but not only these service packs weren't able to correct the bug, they added new problems. Now even Pack & Go doesn't work. If I want to translate it to Access language, it's like you can not create a new database.
Last week they announced they can not correct the issue until the end of the year. A licence of Solidworks costs between $7,000 to $10,000 per year plus a $2500 mainenance fee. Now you can imagine the damage to a company with 10 seats of a system that wil not be functional for a whole year.
So, although I don't know who Daniel is, But I really like to sit and talk to him how other companies' updates are.
But unfortunately most people forget how quick a patch or another update is out to cover the bug. (though the new update may cause another problem). At least Microsoft is quick. They listen to the submitted complaints and do their best to correct their mistakes as soon as possible.
You may not know, But for those of us who work in CAD systems, every update is a disaster. Last January D'assault published a new update that caused Catia & Solidworks ( 2 most famous CAD software) fail to create mirror parts. Ever since they have sent out 3 service packs to correct the problem, but not only these service packs weren't able to correct the bug, they added new problems. Now even Pack & Go doesn't work. If I want to translate it to Access language, it's like you can not create a new database.
Last week they announced they can not correct the issue until the end of the year. A licence of Solidworks costs between $7,000 to $10,000 per year plus a $2500 mainenance fee. Now you can imagine the damage to a company with 10 seats of a system that wil not be functional for a whole year.
So, although I don't know who Daniel is, But I really like to sit and talk to him how other companies' updates are.
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It's not impossible, but very hard to maintain. Recent CAD systems come with SQL Server database as a file manager. The most used system is PDM. When we create a new design or a new assembly or part, we have to save them in PDM. They manage the security (who can access, edit, view) plus they also manage the drawings revisions and the version of software they've been worked on. So going back to a previous update is not as easy as Office. A whole system should be revert.
As I said, it's not impossible, but for example for our company with 10 seats and 15 engineer, it may take several day. And it stops the manufacturing line. Most personal on the line, use eDrawing to view drawings (instead of printed drawings). If the system is under maintenance, no body has access to the drawings and designs.
We prefer to use work arounds instead of revert the version. Why? because we really don't know if a new version works or not. As I explained there's been several patches and service packs up to now to correct the case, but they didn't.
Imagine with each service pack, we upgrade, we recognize the problem exists, and we uninstall the service pack. How many times we can go this rout?
For most companies I know, using back doors and work arounds is better than stopping the production line.
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I've been working with MS Access for 20 years. I have a website here in Brazil about MS Access and the majority of participants who register are over 50 years old. And I can say categorically, MS Access has its days numbered. I have a degree in Electronic Engineering and I recently offered a stock control application (open source) in one of the most prestigious international forums on electronics. See for yourself the level of rejection I got for using MS Access even though it's the free app.
Avelino
A small (open source) Inventory Control application using Ms Access. - Page 1
A small (open source) Inventory Control application using Ms Access. - Page 1
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To my way of thinking, one of the more tragic aspects of the recent series of bug releases is that Microsoft has conditioned thousands, if not millions, of users and developers to think, "Uh, oh. A problem. Must be a new bug from Microsoft."
Instead of investigating a potential problem of our own making, we throw up our hands and blame Microsoft, again.
We can offer multiple attempts to refute the claims of "Access is dying" by citing things like this page, but the overwhelming impression is now, "Microsoft no longer cares much about Access, does it?"
I agree with Pat, it's going to take a "killer app" to replace Access, but if and when it comes along, there will be an army of frustrated Access developers headed for the exits.
Instead of investigating a potential problem of our own making, we throw up our hands and blame Microsoft, again.
We can offer multiple attempts to refute the claims of "Access is dying" by citing things like this page, but the overwhelming impression is now, "Microsoft no longer cares much about Access, does it?"
I agree with Pat, it's going to take a "killer app" to replace Access, but if and when it comes along, there will be an army of frustrated Access developers headed for the exits.
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Yes, put it on Github or something like that.
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Great idea! If only ....
And then just like Linux, we will end up with hundreds and thousands of different distributions and I couldn't even be sure you can solve my problem 'cause there's a small chance we are on the same distribution and you can open my file.
Can you count this list?
en.wikipedia.org
Can you count this list?
List of Linux distributions - Wikipedia
The priority is to resume the stability and credibility that we and Access have enjoyed and deserved for many years.And then just like Linux, we will end up with hundreds and thousands of different distributions and I couldn't even be sure you can solve my problem 'cause there's a small chance we are on the same distribution and you can open my file.
Can you count this list?
List of Linux distributions - Wikipedia
The distribution that achieves that will be followed, and I have no issue with distributions that divert.
AccessBlaster
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The many distros of Linux makes the product more popular and versatile, I don't believe it weakens it. But it is a interesting argument.
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And then just like Linux, we will end up with hundreds and thousands of different distributions and I couldn't even be sure you can solve my problem 'cause there's a small chance we are on the same distribution and you can open my file.
Can you count this list?
List of Linux distributions - Wikipedia
The number of Linux distros, creates a vibrancy, it does not affect how the vast majority of applications, such as LibreOffice work.
