Access On New Computer

[plog]

I need a new computer--how do I get a good version of Access\Excel on it?

Not looking for piracy advice--I've bought 97, 03, 07 and 13 and activated on various computers. Microsoft Office Professional Plus 13 is on this one. I might have 03/07 discs still but think I bought/downloaded 13 and activated it all online. Can I uninstall 13 here and install/activate on next computer without a problem? Is 13 still around for download?

 

[AccessBlaster]

From Microsoft:

Find and install your Microsoft downloads from Microsoft Store

After you purchase software, the download will be shown in your Order history. To find a specific download, sign in to the Order history page with the Microsoft account you used to make the purchase. Find the software, and then select Product key/Install.

I had to do this a few times when I used the Home Use Program (HUP)

 

[Gasman]

I *thought* you could uninstall it and reinstall on another computer?

Download link for Professional Plus 2013 - Microsoft Q&A

Where can we download a copy of this product?

answers.microsoft.com

 

[AccessBlaster]

They have an order history, you login onto their order history page (link above) and re-download. You may have to delete your current copy as others have said, but I think it's pretty painless.

 

[plog]

Thanks AccessBlaster, I followed your instructrions, but there's nothing in my order history on Microsoft. I've only had 1 account with them and its the same one showing up when I check Access. I just don't think they have records going back 10+ years.

 

[Gasman]

Does this help?

How to download and install Office 2013 Professional Plus - Turnkey Point

Follow this step by step guide to download and install Office 2013 in four easy steps.

turnkeypoint.com

 

[plog]

Yes, it helps me get the files, but how do I activate? I currently have a running valid license on my computer--is everything I need some how in it?Where?

 

[AccessBlaster]

I've bought 97, 03, 07 and 13 and activated on various computers. Microsoft Office Professional Plus 13 is on this one.

I was going by this statement.

 

[Gasman]

Yes, it helps me get the files, but how do I activate? I currently have a running valid license on my computer--is everything I need some how in it?Where?

Belarc Adviser should be able to give you all the keys for your software, or at least most of them.

 

[AngelSpeaks]

Thanks AccessBlaster, I followed your instructrions, but there's nothing in my order history on Microsoft. I've only had 1 account with them and its the same one showing up when I check Access. I just don't think they have records going back 10+ years.

My MS account still has my 2013 licenses for Access and Publisher.

 

[amorosik]

@AccessBlaster That method only applies if you purchased the software from MS. If it came preinstalled on your computer or you bought it retail, you won't see it on that website. My event was long before the website. MS was very helpful.

On turnkeypoint.com website there is also a BIND version

▷ Office 2021 Professional Plus for Windows Bind - Turnkey Point

Buy Office 2021 Professional Plus Bind at incredible price. Safe, simple and comfortable purchase. Buy it now and install it right away.

turnkeypoint.com

I think it mean that this product is 'visible' on Microsoft website after login with owner account

 

[amorosik]

I need a new computer--how do I get a good version of Access\Excel on it?

Not looking for piracy advice--I've bought 97, 03, 07 and 13 and activated on various computers. Microsoft Office Professional Plus 13 is on this one. I might have 03/07 discs still but think I bought/downloaded 13 and activated it all online. Can I uninstall 13 here and install/activate on next computer without a problem? Is 13 still around for download?

I experienced exactly the same problem, one year ago, again for Office 2013
I called the local Microsoft offices directly, asking how I could purchase Office 2013
They say "it's not possible"
So I take a recent version, and then you allow me to downgrade to 2013, "..no, it can't be done.."
So how do I purchase an original copy of Office 2013?
Answer "..you can't.."
And this, if said by the manufacturer's operators, is truly incomprehensible
I had to fix it another way

 

[GPGeorge]

Can you buy a 2013 Jaguar from the Jaguar factory? How about a copy of Quicken 2011 edition? Or the one I really, really would like, a 1970 Camaro the same color as the one I owned back then...

Expecting a manufacturer to continue creating and selling every version of every product as long as someone somewhere in the world might want one seems naive.

 

[amorosik]

Can you buy a 2013 Jaguar from the Jaguar factory? How about a copy of Quicken 2011 edition? Or the one I really, really would like, a 1970 Camaro the same color as the one I owned back then...

Expecting a manufacturer to continue creating and selling every version of every product as long as someone somewhere in the world might want one seems naive.

No, obviously not, for a car it's impossible
You didn't make a realistic comparison

For a software it would be perfectly feasible
It is a non-material product and therefore it is only the manufacturer's will to stop marketing it

But the thing that would be PERFECTLY practicable would be to allow the downgrade of any license, I buy an Office 2021 and you authorize me to use an Office 2013, it's only a formal question, it doesn't imply any exchange of documents or materials, nothing at all
It would allow Microsoft to sell a copy of Office and me to remain perfectly legal.

What do you think could be the reason why this is currently NOT possible?

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Microsoft is avoid the "backwards compatibility" issue because if they embraced it, they would have to support those of us whose machines are old enough to be unable to run Win11. They would have to keep Win10 viable - but if they did that, nobody would buy Win11. Therefore, their biggest issue is that supporting older software, you won't buy their new software.

I would suggest that you do a web search for 3rd-party software vendors who might have an old Office 2013 kit. Such kits come with at least one right-to-run license. Might not be very expensive.

 

[GPGeorge]

No, obviously not, for a car it's impossible
You didn't make a realistic comparison

For a software it would be perfectly feasible
It is a non-material product and therefore it is only the manufacturer's will to stop marketing it

But the thing that would be PERFECTLY practicable would be to allow the downgrade of any license, I buy an Office 2021 and you authorize me to use an Office 2013, it's only a formal question, it doesn't imply any exchange of documents or materials, nothing at all
It would allow Microsoft to sell a copy of Office and me to remain perfectly legal.

What do you think could be the reason why this is currently NOT possible?

Sometimes analogies are not intended to be "reality"; sometimes analogies are intended to illustrate a point about logic, which in this case is that the expectation of "forever green products" is not realistic.

The_Doc_Man's more technical explanation is on point. I don't think it's just that it would cannibalize sales from newer products, though.
It's the whole phenomenon of backwards compatibility. It would mean that MS, or Quicken, or Adobe, etc., or any other software vendor would have to guarantee compatibility across all of their products, and do so indefinitely. If you want Office 2013, why not Access 2.0?

Even if the market share for Office 2013 is, say, 10% of the total, and the market share for Access 2.0 is less than 1%, they would have to invest in making sure they were still compatible with the other 89%. They would also have to ensure that security updates were pushed back into the older versions forever as well.

You could offer to pay those costs as part of your license agreement for an older version, I suppose. I'd go along with that, in fact, as long as those costs were borne by the purchasers of older versions and not merged with the costs of owning and using newer versions.

It's also true that companies want to continue to sell newer products. I suppose that's a matter of wanting to stay in business, unless they can figure out a way to get people to keep paying for that Office 2010 installation they bought a decade ago.

 

[amorosik]

Microsoft is avoid the "backwards compatibility" issue because if they embraced it, they would have to support those of us whose machines are old enough to be unable to run Win11. They would have to keep Win10 viable - but if they did that, nobody would buy Win11. Therefore, their biggest issue is that supporting older software, you won't buy their new software.

I would suggest that you do a web search for 3rd-party software vendors who might have an old Office 2013 kit. Such kits come with at least one right-to-run license. Might not be very expensive.

I perfectly understand the motivations that Microsoft can bring
But this does not mean that they are acceptable, from my point of view the constraints that Microsoft would like to impose are not acceptable
I have already solved the problem of installing and using Office 2013
I wanted to bring my experience to the Plog request

 

[amorosik]

Sometimes analogies are not intended to be "reality"; sometimes analogies are intended to illustrate a point about logic, which in this case is that the expectation of "forever green products" is not realistic.

The_Doc_Man's more technical explanation is on point. I don't think it's just that it would cannibalize sales from newer products, though.
It's the whole phenomenon of backwards compatibility. It would mean that MS, or Quicken, or Adobe, etc., or any other software vendor would have to guarantee compatibility across all of their products, and do so indefinitely. If you want Office 2013, why not Access 2.0?

Even if the market share for Office 2013 is, say, 10% of the total, and the market share for Access 2.0 is less than 1%, they would have to invest in making sure they were still compatible with the other 89%. They would also have to ensure that security updates were pushed back into the older versions forever as well.

You could offer to pay those costs as part of your license agreement for an older version, I suppose. I'd go along with that, in fact, as long as those costs were borne by the purchasers of older versions and not merged with the costs of owning and using newer versions.

It's also true that companies want to continue to sell newer products. I suppose that's a matter of wanting to stay in business, unless they can figure out a way to get people to keep paying for that Office 2010 installation they bought a decade ago.

Of course, an analogy serves to indicate a logic in treating similar things
And a car is not similar to a software product which is immaterial
And therefore the logic to be used in dealing with these two types of products must be different

"..They would also have to ensure that security updates.."
No, this isn't true
Let's take the example of Office 2021 and Office 2013
If support for Office 2013 ceased in 2015, it is obvious that no request for updates or corrections or technical assistance can be forwarded to the manufacturer.
If technical support has ceased it means that it is over and that's it
But this has no bearing on the impossibility of downgrading Office 2021 to the 2013 version
Which is a formal act with which the manufacturer recognizes the possibility of using Office 2013 to a buyer of Office 2021
All technical issues are of no importance in this case

I am not purchasing a product for which the manufacturer should feel obligated to provide assistance
I am purchasing the possibility of using an old software, no longer supported, and I am aware of it
If it is good for me why shouldn't it also be convenient for the manufacturer?

 

[gemma-the-husky]

I think it's probably unreasonable to expect manufacturers to still supply deprecated products which simply because they are old may well contain insecurities that have been dealt with in later issues.

Maybe users need to retain their original installation material and installation information just in case, as that might help, but as everything gets downloaded at point of installation even that is less likely to be a valid option.

 

[LarryE]

I perfectly understand the motivations that Microsoft can bring
But this does not mean that they are acceptable, from my point of view the constraints that Microsoft would like to impose are not acceptable
I have already solved the problem of installing and using Office 2013
I wanted to bring my experience to the Plog request

No software developer should be expected to support every version of every software product for every machine forever. If you wish to somehow find an old version of some software and use it, that is fine, but don't expect the developer to support it.