Are you an atheist? (9 Viewers)

[Dick7Access]

We never hit them at all. We had reasoned discussions about why their behaviour was considered unacceptable.

I brought my kids up without religion. I didn’t become a Christian until years later. I brought them up like I was brought up. Some stuff good, some stuff bad. I never had to spank my daughter, my son a few times, and only for direct disobedience. My parents never spanked my sisters, me often, again for directed disobedience. Evidently whipping didn’t do me much good. Taking away my privileges didn’t help me much either. I didn’t start straightening out my life until I was 17 and joined the Navy to get away from my parents because they were always telling me what to do, and they were so stupid. I came back from Boot Camp three months later and I couldn’t believe how smart they had become in three months. <G>

How about punishment? Sent to their room, can't go someplace, etc. If so that is a type of fear.

 

[Dick7Access]

That fact leads only to the fact that, if it does exist, it does not want its existence to be known.

Does not the resurrection prove His existence?

 

[ChrisO]

>>Does not the resurrection prove His existence?<<

No, it does not prove anything. Our knowledge of the resurrection is an artefact of mankind.
More to the point, the use of His, as gender specific, is also an unfortunate artefact of mankind.

 

[John Big Booty]

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I didn’t start straightening out my life until I was 17 and joined the Navy to get away from my parents because they were always telling me what to do, ...

That must have been a shock given that the armed services are all about discipline and being told what to do.

 

[Dick7Access]

>>Does not the resurrection prove His existence?<<

No, it does not prove anything. Our knowledge of the resurrection is an artefact of mankind.
More to the point, the use of His, as gender specific, is also an unfortunate artefact of mankind.

Are you saying that all the people that seen him after the resurrection where lying? Thats not just Bible, thats also history.

 

[Galaxiom]

Does not the resurrection prove His existence?

There is no evidence for the resurrection. Moreover even if there was, rational analysis would suggest he wasn't actually dead.

Moreover there is absolutely no contemporary evidence that Christ even existed at all. Quite remarkable that nobody thought his accomplishments were worth mentioning.

Indeed on the balance of evidence, the New Testament is a work of fiction written expressly to "fulfill" the prophesies of the Old Testament thus validating it as the work of God. Conveniently, the first mention of Christ appears in writings when there would be no living memory of the time he was supposedly at the peak of his fame.

Then Mohammed had another go at the same game a few centuries later but the church was not impressed, pointing out that he hadn't done anything exceptional that would show his writing were anything more than a product of his own prejudices. Mohammed responded by creating a new religion where he would be exalted as a "prophet" despite the fact that he never prophesised anything unless you want to count his description of the end of the Universe.

Later others have tried too but with a few exceptions their mental impairment has been recognised by most, leaving them with relatively small numbers of devotees.

I don't understand why the faithful seem to think simply quoting from a book can validate its own authenticity. On that basis we could reasonably consider Harry Potter as fact yet anyone claiming that would rightly be considered a fool.

 

[Galaxiom]

Are you saying that all the people that seen him after the resurrection where lying? Thats not just Bible, thats also history.

No it isn't history. There is no mention of Christ until Josephus "Antiquities of the Jews" in c 93 CE. He hadn't even been born when the the resurrection was supposed to have occurred.

 

[Beetle]

Perhaps like the Nac Mac Feegle we are already dead and this is in fact the afterlife...

I'm looking around but......no, there are no strippers here. I also checked the basement for a beer volcano, although, admittedly, I'm not exactly sure where the beer volcano would manifest itself. Perhaps the back yard, but then how am I going to keep the neighbors out of my beer? No, this can't be the afterlife.

 

[John Big Booty]

I'm looking around but......no, there are no strippers here. I also checked the basement for a beer volcano, although, admittedly, I'm not exactly sure where the beer volcano would manifest itself. Perhaps the back yard, but then how am I going to keep the neighbors out of my beer? No, this can't be the afterlife.

Point taken The beer volcano has been conspicuous by it absence, although I think I know where there's a stripper factory

 

[Galaxiom]

Point taken The beer volcano has been conspicuous by it absence, although I think I know where there's a stripper factory

O ye of little faith!

Don't you realise that like all holy materials they cannot be read out of context.That is the way of the unbelievers who try to discredit the holy materials. Do not be fooled by the wicked!

Moreover, the apparent absence of evidence for a beer volcano does not mean it does not exist. Read and observe with faith and you will understand!

Besides, the beer volcano is not a literal beer volcano. It is a metaphor designed so that we can comprehend in the best way possible, something that is beyond our understanding. It really means there will be beer in unimaginably unlimited quantities.

You must also be careful not to doubt. To doubt is to show disrespect for the Lord and for this you could be punished by being cast into a vat of cheap red wine for eternity.

 

[John Big Booty]

Thanks Galaxiom. I will hence forth go about my quest for the Beer Volcano with renewed vigour and refreshed faith.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Presumeably having had a swift pint of the holy liquid.

 

[Galaxiom]

But alas my understanding has wavered. What kind of beer will issue from the volcano?

 

[Brianwarnock]

O ye of little faith! Remember where you are, the holy liquid will always taste of the faithfulls favourite and also be ice cold to tepid also according to taste.

Brian

 

[Galaxiom]

O ye of little faith! Remember where you are, the holy liquid will always taste of the faithfulls favourite and also be ice cold to tepid also according to taste.

Oh the glory. But will it be a a chardonnay too if that is my desire at the time?

 

[Brianwarnock]

I understand from the stories from the prophet JBB that it is a beer volcano, He makes no mention of wine of indeed that amber nectar Malt Whisky, perhaps we should pray.

 

[Dick7Access]

No it isn't history. There is no mention of Christ until Josephus "Antiquities of the Jews" in c 93 CE. He hadn't even been born when the the resurrection was supposed to have occurred.
If you are comfortable with that, I am comfortable with you, each to their own. I just down have enough faith to believe that we came from a big bang. If I am here someone had to create me. If someone created me and expected anything of he me, he had to tell me. If he told me he had to prove it. He came he died, He resurrected. If I ever get enough faith I will join you guys. Of course if you guys are right I will never know, will I?

 

[Rabbie]

No it isn't history. There is no mention of Christ until Josephus "Antiquities of the Jews" in c 93 CE. He hadn't even been born when the the resurrection was supposed to have occurred.
If you are comfortable with that, I am comfortable with you, each to their own. I just down have enough faith to believe that we came from a big bang. If I am here someone had to create me. If someone created me and expected anything of he me, he had to tell me. If he told me he had to prove it. He came he died, He resurrected. If I ever get enough faith I will join you guys. Of course if you guys are right I will never know, will I?

It just shows that if you tell the same lie often enough some people will believe it.

Especially if you punish people for not believing.

 

[Dick7Access]

It just shows that if you tell the same lie often enough some people will believe it.

Especially if you punish people for not believing.


I see no lies. I have not the time now to look up all the reference I studied that associate the resurrection with history, not just the Bible, nor the inclination, as I have no desire to convince anybody.

That is very interesting, as I have never punished anybody for not believing nor am I associated with anybody that would advocate punishing anybody. Everybody has to believe something. If some believe that there is no creator that is fine with me, have at it. My life is happy; I am fulfill helping who I can. If I am wrong I will never know, I will turn to dust. In one sense I almost envy the non-believer for such strong faith in the big bang.

 

[Rabbie]

It just shows that if you tell the same lie often enough some people will believe it.

Especially if you punish people for not believing.


I see no lies. I have not the time now to look up all the reference I studied that associate the resurrection with history, not just the Bible, nor the inclination, as I have no desire to convince anybody.

That is very interesting, as I have never punished anybody for not believing nor am I associated with anybody that would advocate punishing anybody. Everybody has to believe something. If some believe that there is no creator that is fine with me, have at it. My life is happy; I am fulfill helping who I can. If I am wrong I will never know, I will turn to dust. In one sense I almost envy the non-believer for such strong faith in the big bang.

I was not suggesting that you have punished anyone for not believing. I was in fact referring to organised religion over the centuries that has murdered many people solely for their refusal to accept some point of doctrine even where that doctrine is not even based on the bible.