Are you an atheist? (17 Viewers)

[ColinEssex]

Keep calm bud, I realise my grammatical errors but when typing huge paragraphs (as you've seen me do), I tend to let my grammar get away from me sometimes.

So lets get this straight.

Short paragraphs are usually grammatically correct. "Huge" paragraphs, with errors, are also acceptable because the writer is too lazy to proof read, even though a large paragraph is open to misinterpretation due to weak punctuation and errors.

I was always taught to keep paragraphs short as readers will get bored and not be bothered to wade through the dross to try and understand the point.

Col

 

[Bladerunner]

Connor , here we have an example as to why I think correct English, including or especially punctuation, is important. You read this as that it was hypocritical to leave the church, I read it to say that he left the church because he saw hypocrisy there.

Brian

Give Brian a cigar. Yes it was written poorly but it got the thought across.

 

[Bladerunner]

This article shows just how high are the feelings concerning gay-marriage and trying to force the Christian church(s) to marry them. It appears in the end it was false.


There will be another, it is not IF,, but When!

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...u_says_chapel_falls_under_religious_exemption

 

[Bladerunner]

Hey Bladerunner

Hello Connor: Wrote a detailed post for this very post of yours. Lost it trying to post it on line x2. Will have to start using a a memo pad or something so I have a copy until it is posted. I am not going to try rewrite it but simply put it this way. Most of what I wrote you took it wrong!

you are trying to interpret what I write through your hatred of the Christian religion. I am not a preacher and do not intentionally preach to anyone especially Atheist. I do not care that you or anyone else is an Atheist or that you have a different worldview than I do or that our children will have different worldviews.

Yes we shall meet again on this tablet of controversy.

 

[Bladerunner]

Going back onto the original subject (Religion) -

Bladerunner , just out of curiosity if you believe in God you must believe in Satan is that correct?

Of course and the next question is Yes as well.

 

[Bladerunner]

I don't tell everyone, I'd be here all day, but in your initial postings they got out of hand, and I guess I was a bit p'd off by something so decided to say something. I am also annoyed and dismayed that blade and D7Access seem proud to not know the difference between were and where plus a few other things.

As to my post above a bit of research gives it as a parenthical phrase, I.e. It can be left out without upsetting the main meaning , these can be contained within brackets or commas.


Brian

All right Brian lets get this out here: Like you, I type my own post. I try to answer as many as I can in the time I have to devote to this site. Yes, I make mistakes but believe me, I know the difference in 'were and where'. Guess at my age, my fingers get disconnected from what my brain is trying to tell them to type from time to time. Like F*, you keep harping about my mental abilities or something. Get over it. I am human, going to make mistakes and it will not end here. It this sites administrators feels my mistakes diminish its effectiveness, then they should simply remove my name from this sites membership.

 

[Bladerunner]

So there's some bill, or maybe a law, that you don't know the name or number of, that will do a blatantly unconstitutional thing? Nice try, thanks for the laugh Blade.

Let me state this again for clarity; When the states started changing the laws allowing the marriage between gays, I saw the demise of the Christian Church.
WHY? because after enough states allowed this marriage, there would be two gays and one Lawyer sitting at each church door wanting to be married. When they were refused, there would be lawsuits and eventually a law would be passed upon churches to lose their non-profit status should they refuse to marry gays. Once this non-profit status was gone, lawsuits against the church and its parishioners could and would be filed. This action would then shut the doors of a lot of churches that did not cecum to the demands of the gay-liberals. Those churches that closed their doors would have their services held in individual homes under secrecy in order to avoid lawsuits or being placed in jail. sounds Medieval !!!!!!!!!!!

My other question was: How far are the gays or liberals willing to go if the churches stand up to them? Think about it. Its been proven by all the riots, etc., that violence is not below them

David those laws have not been written yet but in all probability will be?

You might be thinking of SB 1140 from 2012, that would have shielded churches from having to perform gay marriage or lose their non-profit status (it passed). Or maybe you're thinking of the Southern Baptist Convention removing a California church from its membership last month because its pastor announced support for same-sex marriage.

Actually, I suspect what you're getting is an old version of SB 6239 in Washington state (I know, they're practically the same thing), which would have required churches to offer space to same-sex services IF they offered space to the general public for events. The bill as passed instead shields them from any and all civil suits, for any reason related to gay marriage. Yay?

Why should the Church go against it belief and marry gays. Why would the gays want to be married in a church other than to throw their Atheism in its (churches) face. Yes, the SBC should have removed the church from its membership.

I would have no problem with them using the space afforded to other groups for the same price. Most of the time this would be $0. Of course the church would not promote or advertise anything about the event being held and the event would not be able to promote/advertise that the church provided them the space.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Blade

I don't believe that I have ever questioned your mental abilities, well maybe in the gun thread when questioning the attitude and comments of gun lovers in some catch all phrase, but not in a direct personal way.
I agree that we all make mistakes but I also think that we should respect our readers and reread our posts and correct as many as we can.
The inclusion of you in the were and where comment was because of an exchange between you and Dick, however since you do know the difference would you please correct your signature.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

On the subject of homosexual marriage and the Church I'm with Blade. I may be a none church going agnostic but I believe that the Church should not be forced to compromise its beliefs on this issue. If a particular section of the Christian religion accepts homosexual marriage then that is surely the one that Christian homosexuals should attend, not one that doesn't .

We have seen homosexuals deliberately forcing confrontation in other areas resulting in people losing their lively hood in the case of the B& B couple, and in today's paper I read of a long time Red Cross volunteer being thrown out because he protested against same sex marriage.

I suspect that most homosexuals, like most Muslims, just want to live in peace but there are always fanatics with their own agenda.

Brian

 

[Bladerunner]

Blade

I don't believe that I have ever questioned your mental abilities, well maybe in the gun thread when questioning the attitude and comments of gun lovers in some catch all phrase, but not in a direct personal way.
I agree that we all make mistakes but I also think that we should respect our readers and reread our posts and correct as many as we can.
The inclusion of you in the were and where comment was because of an exchange between you and Dick, however since you do know the difference would you please correct your signature.

Brian

LOL,,,, All you had to do was ask!. I have not looked at that for some time now. As of this post, I have tried to change it but cannot find the edit for the signature. Have any ideas/.

 

[Brianwarnock]

I don't like to point out people's errors too many get upset!

Go into your control panel , Select User CP from the menu bar , and you will find edit signature as one of the options.

Thanks
Brian

 

[ConnorGiles]

Tired (insomnia for three nights now) but otherwise doing fine.

The problem with studying something every evening is sometimes your brain doesn't want to downshift when it's time to go to bed!

Might be an idea to do some studying a little earlier in the day Frothingslosh!

Read an interesting article as to why humans need sleep, There prognosis was that the only reason humans need sleep is because we get tired. (No medical reasoning)

They could not find any reason as to why we actually need sleep other than that.

Maybe try getting some sleep tonight You must be exhausted.

 

[ConnorGiles]

So lets get this straight.

Short paragraphs are usually grammatically correct. "Huge" paragraphs, with errors, are also acceptable because the writer is too lazy to proof read, even though a large paragraph is open to misinterpretation due to weak punctuation and errors.

I was always taught to keep paragraphs short as readers will get bored and not be bothered to wade through the dross to try and understand the point.

Col

Indeed Col, Ill try keeping them short and to the point which is what I usually do , but they get divided when answering the whole of a comment with quotes .

Kind of makes it look too big

 

[ConnorGiles]

Hey Bladerunner

Hello Connor: Wrote a detailed post for this very post of yours. Lost it trying to post it on line x2. Will have to start using a a memo pad or something so I have a copy until it is posted. I am not going to try rewrite it but simply put it this way. Most of what I wrote you took it wrong!

you are trying to interpret what I write through your hatred of the Christian religion. I am not a preacher and do not intentionally preach to anyone especially Atheist. I do not care that you or anyone else is an Atheist or that you have a different worldview than I do or that our children will have different worldviews.

Yes we shall meet again on this tablet of controversy.

Hey Bud,

Sorry if I did not interpret you correctly.

Also I have already explained - I have no hatred towards people having a religion, by all means pray to your hearts content.

I do recall me saying "I dislike all religions equally"

Not just christianity

We shall meet again Bladerunner

also to my last question - I never got the fact why people hate the devil so much in religion, I know apparently he is everything bad and he wanted to kick god of his throne, But He punishes the bad doesn't he?

Which would make him the face of justice would it not ?

After all Lucifer is supposed to mean Bringer/Bearer of Light

 

[Frothingslosh]

Trust me when I say if I could sleep, I would. I just periodically get bouts of insomnia - I have my whole life. Doesn't matter what I was doing before or how long before I was doing it, really.

Out of curiosity, how does that study handle the way long-term denial of REM sleep causes actual insanity? There have been studies done where people were allowed to sleep but not to do REM sleep, and that turns out to the the result. (And on the flip side, there are a very few people who quite literally do not need sleep at all - as in ever.)

 

[Bladerunner]

also to my last question - I never got the fact why people hate the devil so much in religion, I know apparently he is everything bad and he wanted to kick god of his throne, But He punishes the bad doesn't he?

Which would make him the face of justice would it not ?

After all Lucifer is supposed to mean Bringer/Bearer of Light

Hi Connor;

First let me qualify my answer to your last question above. I have not researched the answer I am giving you but rather the answer comes from within.


You Asked:"Why people hate the devil so much in religion.". I really don't think they hate Satan so much as they fear him which is a better motivator than hate. Had it not been for him (Satan), Eve would not have eaten the forbidden fruit and we would live...... well in Heaven.

I personally think he uses anything he can to get people over to his side and away from God. Everyone he gets to come over, is like sticking a dagger into God himself.

There are God's law and then there are mans laws. He(Satan) is the lord over this world therefore he reigns over man and his laws.So now you know where corruption comes from or an anything goes society came from (i.e. Babylon, modern society, etc.). In fact, I personally feel that he has caused all of the wars and violent deaths around the world.

To lose a close family member (i.e. child, mother, father) is very hard to overcome. But to know that they are going to a better place brings a lot of comfort to the other family members. Cannot see thinking about Hell in the same context would help.And cannot see thinking that one minute 'poof' we are here and then 'poof' we are gone would be of any comfort.

That is about all I can say about it. It is hard to explain a feeling about an abstract figure. As I have stated many times before, everyone if given the chance will have to make a decision about who they believe in (Satan or God) at the end of their life. If they don't get that chance to make that decision at the end of their life, the decision they made sometimes many years before will stand. Your either believe in God or >>>>>>>>>>>(Your for or your against). There is no in-between!!!!!!!

And last but not least the "Bringer/Bearer of Light"[ConnorGiles;1392531] depends upon the light. Walking into a 'Red Light' District, etc. tends to give a little different perspective to the religious person but has Satan written all over it.Rem, he works his laws through man.

Again, these are my personal opinions.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Hi Blade,
It is good to read a post that is a person's own thoughts and not just churning out the rhetoric a la Aziz.

When you say believe in Satan or God are you using the word believe as in follow rather than in belief in their existence? I would thing that atheists believe in the existence of neither and religious people in the existence of both.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

To lose a close family member (i.e. child, mother, father) is very hard to overcome. But to know that they are going to a better place brings a lot of comfort to the other family members. Cannot see thinking about Hell in the same context would help.And cannot see thinking that one minute 'poof' we are here and then 'poof' we are gone would be of any comfort.

I think that the above , from Blade, is a factor in mankind wanting to believe, but is it really a good enough reason.

On a personal level the fact that my wife may be in heaven would not stop me being distressed at the fact that she missed out on raising her grandchildren and more importantly that they missed the benefit other loving care and 35 years as a kindergarten teacher, infact if there is a " loving father" out there then I am bloody angry with him for taking her when he did.
Please note that I had already rejected religion before this.

Brian

 

[Bladerunner]

Hi Blade,
It is good to read a post that is a person's own thoughts and not just churning out the rhetoric a la Aziz.

When you say believe in Satan or God are you using the word believe as in follow rather than in belief in their existence? I would thing that atheists believe in the existence of neither and religious people in the existence of both.

Brian

Yes, you are right!

 

[Bladerunner]

[FONT="][QUOTE="Brianwarnock, post: 1392770, member: 14077"]I think that the above , from Blade, is a factor in mankind wanting to believe, but is it really a good enough reason.

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[FONT="]On a personal level the fact that my wife may be in heaven would not stop me being distressed at the fact that she missed out on raising her grandchildren and more importantly that they missed the benefit other loving care and 35 years as a kindergarten teacher, in fact if there is a " loving father" out there then I am bloody angry with him for taking her when he did.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Please note that I had already rejected religion before this.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]First let me send my condolences for the loss of your wife. I understand your anger. Having a medical background gave me ample opportunities to see the anger, remorse and ultimately the despair that comes with losing ones soul-mate and/or children. However, my belief is that you will again be together with her and your children and grandchildren in the end. Even though you do not believe right now, simply knowing that this scenario is in the realm of possibility should give you if nothing else pause. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The Bible states that "every Hair on your head is counted and your days are numbered". We know not the hour or the minute of our death until it is upon us yet when you were born, the date and time of your death was written into the book of life. You wife would have died at the same time irregardless of whether she was married to you or someone else.While this of no comfort to you it does show that God simply did not look down and say well, I am going to take this one and this one and this one today, etc.[/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]Dick7Access once said that (rearranged & paraphrased): If you and I die and I am wrong, then you and I will never know that we were wrong. However, what if I am right!!!!!!!!!!!. If you are right then we will die and our soul or our source of life will leave our bodies and just 'poof' into nothingness. If I am right and you do not believe, then Satan will be you master. Chin up now, there is a consolation here. You will be with those that did not believe in Christ while they were living. On the other hand, well, I have already covered that!............................[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Some on this [FONT=&quot]thread[/FONT] will call this preaching but there is a difference in preaching to a crowd and telling others what you believe in and then putting that belief in context. Not long ago, I wrote an extended post giving the reasons why I believe there is an afterlife and those reasons are outside of what the Bible teaches us. Questions about that post include: Did my brain just manufacture what I wanted to see or was I told something year(s) before it happened? If so, by who or what told me? The 'why' was apparent after it was over. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Thanks for listening![/FONT]