Are you an atheist?

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So Blade- from what I have perceived from yourself is that Satan controls what happens here?

Why would our god (be it if he exists) leave us to be played with or taunted by him?

For instance it seems like - He has given us a gun and told us, under no circumstances press that trigger... Of course be it then or later - Accidental or Purposefully it will be pressed.

Another question that annoys me is that if god loves us all equally, why eternally damn the ones who don't believe but have done nothing wrong (Haven't even committed a sin except not believe)?
 
So Blade- from what I have perceived from yourself is that Satan controls what happens here?

Why would our god (be it if he exists) leave us to be played with or taunted by him?

For instance it seems like - He has given us a gun and told us, under no circumstances press that trigger... Of course be it then or later - Accidental or Purposefully it will be pressed.

Another question that annoys me is that if god loves us all equally, why eternally damn the ones who don't believe but have done nothing wrong (Haven't even committed a sin except not believe)?

Sorry for the delay guys - Busy week at work ;)
 
First let me say that I believe that there is a higher being or cause that has created us and this universe... there has to be or there would be no universe, no us.

As a society we've grown to know good and evil and have put a face on each, but let's focus on the good (God(s?)).

Question: What makes us feel so damn unique and special. What makes us the #1 priority of this being. They have created this entire universe. Why would we, one planet's species be the priority of the entire universe.

Side Thought: As a system designer & developer like most of the people here, I wouldn't create a system that needs constant maintenance. To think of the creator of this universe making it so that they needed to intervene for each individual being would be insane. Lets focus on what we know here on planet earth. Maybe we're designed like this. We were made to fight and to love. We were made to destroy and create. Maybe we're still Neanderthals compared to what we're destined to be another 50,000 years from now.

As usual, just a thought from myself that I thought that I would share.
Also as usual, I predict it will not be paid any attention to in the heat of this quarrelsome thread.
 
So Blade- from what I have perceived from yourself is that Satan controls what happens here?

Why would our god (be it if he exists) leave us to be played with or taunted by him?

For instance it seems like - He has given us a gun and told us, under no circumstances press that trigger... Of course be it then or later - Accidental or Purposefully it will be pressed.

Another question that annoys me is that if god loves us all equally, why eternally damn the ones who don't believe but have done nothing wrong (Haven't even committed a sin except not believe)?


Should I take Door #1 or Door #2.... lol....Hello Connor:

4. To take the last sentence first the only ones that are without sin are the little children. Have you not heard about missionaries who sometimes give their lives in order to help the population and spread God's word. For those who have not heard, I would think that God would take this into account. How can you sin if you do not know what the rules are (so-to-speak).

1.Now for the top down. As I said, Satan and his follwers were (got it right again lol) given this world. Does he control world events--possibly! Does he control man--that is up to man--rem he has a brain. Again you have a choice (good or bad) and can turn from that choice anytime up until your death.

2. While temptation is all around, if you believe you can side step it.

3. "Thou Shalt Not Kill". While this commandment has been dissected many time, to me it means, I shall not (in mans terms) murder another. I believe there are exceptions to those that do so in self- defense and to protect others.
 
First let me say that I believe that there is a higher being or cause that has created us and this universe... there has to be or there would be no universe, no us.

As a society we've grown to know good and evil and have put a face on each, but let's focus on the good (God(s?)).

Question: What makes us feel so damn unique and special. What makes us the #1 priority of this being. They have created this entire universe. Why would we, one planet's species be the priority of the entire universe.

Side Thought: As a system designer & developer like most of the people here, I wouldn't create a system that needs constant maintenance. To think of the creator of this universe making it so that they needed to intervene for each individual being would be insane. Lets focus on what we know here on planet earth. Maybe we're designed like this. We were made to fight and to love. We were made to destroy and create. Maybe we're still Neanderthals compared to what we're destined to be another 50,000 years from now.

As usual, just a thought from myself that I thought that I would share.
Also as usual, I predict it will not be paid any attention to in the heat of this quarrelsome thread.
Hi Dan: Let me try and answer your questions.

( Note: This is the first time you have asked sensible questions instead of rants and accusations that I have seen.)

1. Because God made us in his image is why we are so unique. ["What makes us the #1 priority of this being" BlueIshDan 1393412]. Who said we were the center of the Universe. He made all and for man to consider that he is the only ones out there among billions of galaxies is silly. Opening your mind to possibilities does not mean you cannot believe in his beautiful and complicated creation.

2. Then don't create a child because they need constant maintenance and LOVE. (you left this out). Imagine a home with 18 children. Why would you want to intervene with each. Or maybe we were designed like this. We have the ability to fight, love, design, destroy and yet we are the only entity on this earth that can reason and think and control our actions. Your programs for all you can do, cannot do that. We did not come from Neanderthals!...Unlike the Neanderthals, we know the difference in why we do anything.

Of course the Bible states that after Armageddon there will be 10,000 years of peace. lets just get to the 10,000 year mark. How ----By Believing.
 
Trust me when I say if I could sleep, I would. I just periodically get bouts of insomnia - I have my whole life. Doesn't matter what I was doing before or how long before I was doing it, really.

Out of curiosity, how does that study handle the way long-term denial of REM sleep causes actual insanity? There have been studies done where people were allowed to sleep but not to do REM sleep, and that turns out to the the result. (And on the flip side, there are a very few people who quite literally do not need sleep at all - as in ever.)

Imagine the time saved without sleep - you could have a new meaning to a long day :D
 
1. Because God made us in his image is why we are so unique.

I like to think outside of what is written inside of the bible. I find more comfort and attachment to my, what I like to call, creator when I exclude the additions and writings of other human beings.

Please don't think of this as me saying that what you believe is wrong. But out of pure curiosity, what is it that makes you have so much faith in what we as human's perceive as the truth about something that is so much higher that our understanding. It is something that I find myself so detached from. As I said, I absolutely FEEL closer to our creator(s?) when I exclude the affections of other humans. It is a questionable worthy feeling no?

Meaning in short: I would rather be explained and talked to with you understanding my position. As would you like me to speak to you in the same manor.

2. Then don't create a child because they need constant maintenance and LOVE. (you left this out). Imagine a home with 18 children. Why would you want to intervene with each. Or maybe we were designed like this. We have the ability to fight, love, design, destroy and yet we are the only entity on this earth that can reason and think and control our actions. Your programs for all you can do, cannot do that. We did not come from Neanderthals!...Unlike the Neanderthals, we know the difference in why we do anything.

I do believe that this is much higher than that.
After trying to pick this apart for a direct answer, reasoning or theory...

I may have misunderstood what is being said here, but if I understand correctly, I would also rather not be directly insulted. I am more capable of relationships and caring than any other I know.

Your programs for all you can do, cannot do that.
I feel that you're failing to see my points. Again, much higher than the thought of designing a program. Designing life. Designing something with the ability to make choices. Something that can colonize and grow and interact with not only itself but the world you've created for it to grow in. It is something amazing in itself.

As for intervening, in both of our beliefs it seems that we both know, we were initially created with choice. We are all, as a race, here together as we are because of our choices up to now. Would our creator really intervene with this? Remember, these are only thoughts from my perspective. Please do not throw it back in my face in the form as a snide remark masked with something from the bible. Talk to me as a person.

... we are the only entity on this earth that can reason and think and control our actions.
This is entirely not true. Moving on.

As an addition to my first statement in this post.

Another way of describing this feeling of mine is to say this:

If there was never any documentation or history of belief of a God. I would still have this feeling. It is not common sense. It is not science. It is a literal felling, not guided by the affections of other human beings.
 
Should I take Door #1 or Door #2.... lol....Hello Connor:

4. To take the last sentence first the only ones that are without sin are the little children. Have you not heard about missionaries who sometimes give their lives in order to help the population and spread God's word. For those who have not heard, I would think that God would take this into account. How can you sin if you do not know what the rules are (so-to-speak).

1.Now for the top down. As I said, Satan and his follwers were (got it right again lol) given this world. Does he control world events--possibly! Does he control man--that is up to man--rem he has a brain. Again you have a choice (good or bad) and can turn from that choice anytime up until your death.

2. While temptation is all around, if you believe you can side step it.

3. "Thou Shalt Not Kill". While this commandment has been dissected many time, to me it means, I shall not (in mans terms) murder another. I believe there are exceptions to those that do so in self- defense and to protect others.

Why was he given this world?? I really don't see the point of giving this all evil being a world full of gods creations? Surely it could only end one way.

Everyone has sinned once in their life. Repentance is not a solution its a "I said sorry so its okay". If your god turns out to be real, I believe there is too many things people haven't realised they have done to sin, which therefore means hell for all of us :D

The Thou Shalt Not Kill statement is thrown around everywhere in many religions but it is never followed. Islamic State Militants Beheading people, Christians Crusading massacring millions, The list goes on.
 
(1) Please don't think of this as me saying that what you believe is wrong. But out of pure curiosity, what is it that makes you have so much faith in what we as human's perceive as the truth about something that is so much higher that our understanding. It is something that I find myself so detached from. As I said, I absolutely FEEL closer to our creator(s?) when I exclude the affections of other humans. It is a questionable worthy feeling no?

Meaning in short: I would rather be explained and talked to with you understanding my position. As would you like me to speak to you in the same manor.

(2) I do believe that this is much higher than that.
After trying to pick this apart for a direct answer, reasoning or theory...

I may have misunderstood what is being said here, but if I understand correctly, I would also rather not be directly insulted. I am more capable of relationships and caring than any other I know. .

(3)I feel that you're failing to see my points. Again, much higher than the thought of designing a program. Designing life. Designing something with the ability to make choices. Something that can colonize and grow and interact with not only itself but the world you've created for it to grow in. It is something amazing in itself.

(4) As for intervening, in both of our beliefs it seems that we both know, we were initially created with choice. We are all, as a race, here together as we are because of our choices up to now. Would our creator really intervene with this? Remember, these are only thoughts from my perspective. Please do not throw it back in my face in the form as a snide remark masked with something from the bible. Talk to me as a person.


(5) This is entirely not true. Moving on.

As an addition to my first statement in this post.

Another way of describing this feeling of mine is to say this:

If there was never any documentation or history of belief of a God. I would still have this feeling. It is not common sense. It is not science. It is a literal felling, not guided by the affections of other human beings.
(1) If you feel closer to God without as you put it "affections of other humans"........Great...Go for it. You answered your own question here. To every person, what God means to them is different. That does not mean it is wrong as long as you believe in him. It is not against the law not to believe in him, and you may feel it is not wrong not to believe in him. It is a decision everyone must make. You included!

(2) Guess what? you have lost me now

(3)You were the one who compared creation to designing a program! You are right but unfortunately man is trying to design life itself without taking all the above into question. BUT what could possibly go wrong?

(4) Does he intervene? There are many people some on this forum that will tell you different. I personally believe that they do not intervene because they want us to love them via free choice. Some will say that the threat of Hell is not a free choice. Yes, it is and there are a lot of people who have chosen hell freely. Jesus and his father will not intervene until Armageddon.

(5) For centuries people who never have any other indication of a religion, looked up and around and decided there had to be a higher power that made this. They have felt like you do. I think everybody worries about what someone says the bible means. It is really up to you. That is one reason why there are so many denominations of the Christian religion. People interpret the bible differently. But all believe in Jesus Christ and his Father, Jehovah. You cannot come to believe because I want you to, It has to come from within and feel right to your psyche. Only then can you find the peace that goes with accepting Jesus as your savior.

Again, these are my beliefs. To some these are a joke, to some I am living a lie, to some I am worshiping a false God, to some I am just one of those Christians like the ones that killed so many people in the name of God. having said that, I have only one to answer to.................! Yes, I have made my decision!

Thanks Dan
 
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to some I am just one of those Christians like the ones that killed so many people in the name of God. having said that, I have only one to answer to.................! Yes, I have made my decision!

Thanks Dan

Please let me clarify Bladerunner ;)

You've killed people in the name of god!?

Is that a confession ;) :D
 
It is called a joke my friend. Damn I get called a politician a lot :D

It was referring to the fact you said "Yes, I have made my decision!" after claiming some think you kill people in the name of god......
 
I find the worst jokes make me laugh the most due to the "It's so bad, It's good!" phrase :D
 
It is called a joke my friend. Damn I get called a politician a lot :D

It was referring to the fact you said "Yes, I have made my decision!" after claiming some think you kill people in the name of god......

LOL, alright,,,,Connor, I do apologize to you for not taking it as a joke. Sometimes it is hard to do since hearing a joke and the way it was intended makes it easier than reading it.
 

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