Are you an atheist?

[Libre]

Then please enlighten us poor, benighted souls, and provide proof of a scientifically verifiable divine intervention. That's all that has ever been asked of the faithful, and not once has said proof been provided.

Easy, Frothingslosh. It says so right there in the Bible.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Easy, Frothingslosh. It says so right there in the Bible.

 

[Galaxiom]

I'm not sure you displaying critical thinking there either - just plucking out examples that support your view.

Pots and kettles! Funny though.

Provide some examples where a theist thinks critically and still comes up with the notion that God exists and I will show you where they failed.

Then show me an example where an atheist is failing to think critically.

 

[Bladerunner]

Whoa! I simply ask for a name of a book that leads to the conclusion so many of you on this thread have. Hello Galaxiom, it has been a while. My main reason for wanting the book was that I did not know enough about the alternatives that lead to Atheism. I think that Rabbi has the name of the book I am looking for but can't be sure until I see its cover. I don't remember the title but I do rem. the book cover.

AS far as the arguments between God and Atheism, is it not enough for us to argue about it. While there may be books out there that argue this concept, I am not interested in them. Will get the book and form my own conclusions. Thanks to all of you'll for your concern that I might not be smart enough to comprehend a subject so close to your heart.

Have a good day. Give me a day or two to read it, Am in the middle of rebuilding a tractor, dozer and backhoe. Got to get the ready in the next three weeks. Spring is almost here.

Is this fair enough for you on the thread?

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

OH! here is a little fodder for your thought!

I recently heard of an atheist dying only to come back into this world through the efforts of our medical professionals.

In direct conflict with the usual 'return from the dead' reports, he told reporters that he saw nothing but black. No light, no nothing.

I will have to agree with him in that there was no light , that is for an atheist. That light is only reserved for those who believe. Someone once argued on this thread that after we died there was nothing, we just become nothing. You were also partially right in that I am sure you were speaking for everybody and not just the Atheist.

Blade

 

[CarolThompson]

Yes, I am an atheist. I had written quite a lengthy reply on why I was an atheist but unfortunately the system logged me out because I took too long. I lost everything!

I started losing my belief in God when I studied Scripture and read the Old Testament with incredulity at this childish, vengeful God. I can't bring myself to believe that there is a God who is all goodness who could allow such terrible ill-treatment and murder of 6000 innocent men, women and children. Why did God not intervene? The answer is he couldn't, because he doesn't exist, so we can't blame something which doesn't exist. It is only good people who can intervene and help others and you don't have to be religious to be a good person.

 

[Galaxiom]

Yes, I am an atheist. I had written quite a lengthy reply on why I was an atheist but unfortunately the system logged me out because I took too long. I lost everything

Welcome to the site Carol. There is a "Keep Me Logged In" checkbox on the login screen that avoids the problem of time out. This sets a cookie. God not only fails to stop atrocities but is actually the inspiration for many. Unfortunately God does exist in the minds of some and that is all it takes. One of the greatest myths pertaining to the Abrahamic religions is that bad people twist the good message. Fact is that the message is bad and the so called moderates simply pretend that it isn't.

 

[Bladerunner]

Yes, I am an atheist. I had written quite a lengthy reply on why I was an atheist but unfortunately the system logged me out because I took too long. I lost everything!

I started losing my belief in God when I studied Scripture and read the Old Testament with incredulity at this childish, vengeful God. I can't bring myself to believe that there is a God who is all goodness who could allow such terrible ill-treatment and murder of 6000 innocent men, women and children. Why did God not intervene? The answer is he couldn't, because he doesn't exist, so we can't blame something which doesn't exist. It is only good people who can intervene and help others and you don't have to be religious to be a good person.

Hello Carol Thompson

6000 innocent people????????Which ones are you talking about. What about the 6000000that he let die?

One tip on the writing of articles. Do them on a word processor then transfer them here. You will not time out that way!

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Then please enlighten us poor, benighted souls, and provide proof of a scientifically verifiable divine intervention. That's all that has ever been asked of the faithful, and not once has said proof been provided.

Hello Frothy: the poor benighted souls,,,,did they die?

 

[Bladerunner]

Provide some examples where a theist thinks critically and still comes up with the notion that God exists and I will show you where they failed.

Then show me an example where an atheist is failing to think critically.

Critically is the 'key' word here but I am not sure why? I have yet to hear where atheist think critically and come up with the notion that there is no GOD!

Blade

 

[Brianwarnock]

Sitting drinking coffee and looking at the rain I decided to take a punt on the joke thread and came across the joke below from 2005, I thought Dick and Blade might enjoy it.

Brian

In an airplane a man was sitting next to a woman reading her Bible.
The man started a conversation.
Man : “Do you believe in the Bible?”
Woman : “Yes, I do.”
Man : “Do you believe the story of the man swallowed by a whale and later he was deposited on land to continue his journey.”
Woman : “Yes, I do.”
Man : “How can that be true?”
Woman : “I do not fully understand it now. I will ask him when I get to heaven.”
Man : “What if he is not in heaven?”
Woman : “Then you could ask him.”

 

[Brianwarnock]

Critically is the 'key' word here but I am not sure why? I have yet to hear where atheist think critically and come up with the notion that there is no GOD!

Blade

We have been here before. How do you prove the non existence of something?
The onus is on the believers to prove the existence. Obviously the answer is no one knows thus the only logical position is agnostic.
My argument / disbelieve is with religion not whether God exists as I don't know.

Brian

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

We have been here before. How do you prove the non existence of something?
The onus is on the believers to prove the existence. Obviously the answer is no one knows thus the only logical position is agnostic.
My argument / disbelieve is with religion not whether God exists as I don't know.

Brian

Which is why I am not sure of the claim from some atheists here that theists necessarily lack critical thinking in comparison.

What I think they are doing is choosing a subsection of theists they can fairly well establish have suspended their critical thinking and then applying that to theists in general.

Which is obviously not great critical thinking in itself.

Let alone the idea that atheism is superior critical thinking in itself. As you say an agnostic position would make more sense.

Theists at least acknowledge critical thinking gets them so far - then its faith.
I'm not sure of the reasoning of some atheists in being so high and mighty on the matter.

I should add, most atheists and theists are probably quite reasonable. When either pushes their position as superior - then it gets problematic, and the ultra atheists and theists actually become very similar in their thinking. To me anyway.

 

[ConnorGiles]

I don't believe that girl has a dress?

This did not get the credit it deserved! - and as to that Gif, I read somewhere it rotated the way you see due to your brain using a certain side, forget which but as an example :

See it rotating clockwise = Left side of your brain
See it Anti- Clockwise = Right side

But that was what I read, Probably not true

 

[ConnorGiles]

Which is why I am not sure of the claim from some atheists here that theists necessarily lack critical thinking in comparison.

What I think they are doing is choosing a subsection of theists they can fairly well establish have suspended their critical thinking and then applying that to theists in general.

Which is obviously not great critical thinking in itself.

Let alone the idea that atheism is superior critical thinking in itself. As you say an agnostic position would make more sense.

Theists at least acknowledge critical thinking gets them so far - then its faith.
I'm not sure of the reasoning of some atheists in being so high and mighty on the matter.

I should add, most atheists and theists are probably quite reasonable. When either pushes their position as superior - then it gets problematic, and the ultra atheists and theists actually become very similar in their thinking. To me anyway.

Every person is different in their own way, I agree on the point that when ultra atheists push their position it becomes almost similar to someone who is religious.

I am a whole-hearted atheist and to be quite frank, I couldn't care less if someone believed in a almighty deity. Doesn't effect me it's when it starts affecting me when the problems start in my case.

I would never tell someone their beliefs are stupid because it's their own life choice, not mine. I'm sure somewhere on this site I have posted that "Religion is a personal connection to God" and I'm pretty sure it's a sin to force someone to believe anyway

To the fiery depths with you Jehovah's! I shall see you there if I'm wrong!

 

[CarolThompson]

Hello Carol Thompson

6000 innocent people????????Which ones are you talking about. What about the 6000000that he let die?

One tip on the writing of articles. Do them on a word processor then transfer them here. You will not time out that way!

Blade

Hi Bladerunner, my apols for the inaccuracy, I meant 6,000,000, and that was sadly just one episode in history. Whole families endured such unimaginable suffering and there was no-one there to help them. And it still continues.....with religious fanaticism driving such atrocities, and not a god in sight!

Thanks for the tip.

 

[Bladerunner]

We have been here before. How do you prove the non existence of something?
The onus is on the believers to prove the existence. Obviously the answer is no one knows thus the only logical position is agnostic.
My argument / disbelieve is with religion not whether God exists as I don't know.

Brian

Ah but we have the written word, Holly Bible and you have nothing but accusations. Whether or not you believe the book was written by God or by man does not really matter. They have been documented (some of the dead sea scrolls as much as 50-100 BC and the Greek (Septuagint, or LXX) written about 235 BC or about 2400 to 2500 years ago. The biggest problem to explain is that these scrolls were written close to 1000 years before the Old Testamant Masoretic Text.

FYI:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The Dead Sea Scrolls contain at least fragments of every book in the Old Testament except the book of Esther. More than ten scrolls were beautifully preserved intact including two copies of Isaiah. 2 Professor Millar Burrows of Yale University assigns these copies to the first century BC. Johns Hopkins University Professor William F. Albright places them more conservatively in the second century BC.3[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]These copies of Isaiah, written 1,000 years earlier than the previously oldest known copies have proven to be "word for word identical with our standard Hebrew Bible in more than 95 percent of the text. The five percent of variation consisted chiefly of obvious slips of the pen and variations in spelling. [emphasis mine] " 4 Great respect must therefore be given to the interim copyists. Diligently slaving for accuracy, they apparently achieved it: [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Of the 166 words in Isaiah 53, there are only 17 letters in question. Ten of these letters are simply a matter of spelling, which does not affect the sense. Four more letters are minor stylistic changes, such as conjunctions. The remaining three letters comprise the word 'light' which is added in verse 11, and does not affect the meaning greatly. Furthermore, this word is supported by the LXX [Septuagint] and IQ Is [first cave of Qumran, Isaiah scroll]. Thus, in one chapter of 166 words, there is only one word (three letters) in question after a thousand years of transmission - and this word does not significantly change the meaning of the passage. 5 [/FONT]"

http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Integ/B-0801.htm
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p.s. Bill O'Rielly wrote the book, "killing Jesus" where he and his crew check out whether Jesus indeed existed. Now they have a movie about it. You need to get this book and read it. It might just open you eyes.

You have nothing, Yes, he lived among us, the Holy Bible is real and the only logical position to take is 'I believe'.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Again it seems that I cannot add properly..The 235BC dating makes the Greek version of the Old Testament 2,250 years ago not 2400-2500years.

apologize for the error.

Blade

 

[Galaxiom]

Ah but we have the written word, Holly Bible and you have nothing but accusations. Whether or not you believe the book was written by God or by man does not really matter. They have been documented (some of the dead sea scrolls as much as 50-100 BC and the Greek (Septuagint, or LXX) written about 235 BC or about 2400 to 2500 years ago. The biggest problem to explain is that these scrolls were written close to 1000 years before the Old Testamant Masoretic Text.

The Bible, no matter which edition you care to consult, however old, does not prove its own divinity. Old BS is still BS.

In fact many claims in the Bible are demonstrably incorrect by repeatable observation of fact proving it is definitely not of divine origin or inspiration. Only a single example of it being wrong is needed to reject its claims to divine authority.

It is based on the profound ignorance and misogyny of ancient men who arrogantly presumed their bigoted prejudices were inspired by a supreme being. It is all about fascist politics.

Bill O'Rielly wrote the book, "killing Jesus" where he and his crew check out whether Jesus indeed existed. Now they have a movie about it. You need to get this book and read it. It might just open you eyes.

O'Reilly began with the premise that Jesus was real and not once questioned the veracity of his "evidence". The fact remains that there are no contemporary accounts of Jesus. He isn't mentioned for several decades after He was supposed to have existed and then only in passing.

Moreover the gospels describing His life are not even consistent among themselves. Even among the canonical gospels, only one mentions Jesus performing miracles. One would have thought that such achievements would be worth of mention by any genuine reports, if they were true.

Most of the places in the Old Testament have not a shred of archaeological evidence to support their existence.

You have nothing, Yes, he lived among us, the Holy Bible is real and the only logical position to take is 'I believe'.

Again you simply repeat the doctrine forced upon you as a child. The balance of the evidence dismisses your position as pure fantasy.

The life of Jesus is an extraordinary claim and requires extraordinary evidence to support it when in fact there is not even trivial evidence.

If you would like to debate O'Rielly's claims please post what you think is the strongest evidence he provides and I will demolish it with the facts.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

The Bible, no matter which edition you care to consult, however old, does not prove its own divinity. Old BS is still BS.

In fact many claims in the Bible are demonstrably incorrect by repeatable observation of fact proving it is definitely not of divine origin or inspiration. Only a single example of it being wrong is needed to reject its claims to divine authority.

It is based on the profound ignorance and misogyny of ancient men who arrogantly presumed their bigoted prejudices were inspired by a supreme being. It is all about fascist politics.



O'Reilly began with the premise that Jesus was real and not once questioned the veracity of his "evidence". The fact remains that there are no contemporary accounts of Jesus. He isn't mentioned for several decades after He was supposed to have existed and then only in passing.

Moreover the gospels describing His life are not even consistent among themselves. Even among the canonical gospels, only one mentions Jesus performing miracles. One would have thought that such achievements would be worth of mention by any genuine reports, if they were true.

Most of the places in the Old Testament have not a shred of archaeological evidence to support their existence.



Again you simply repeat the doctrine forced upon you as a child. The balance of the evidence dismisses your position as pure fantasy.

The life of Jesus is an extraordinary claim and requires extraordinary evidence to support it when in fact there is not even trivial evidence.

If you would like to debate O'Rielly's claims please post what you think is the strongest evidence he provides and I will demolish it with the facts.

Are you claiming Jesus didn't exist as a person in history? At least as a somewhat notable basis for the tale?