Are you an atheist? (2 Viewers)

[Bladerunner]

Hell, have you ever told a little white lie to make someone feel better?

Yeah, that's still a lie. Because you said that those jeans DON'T make her butt look big, you're going to Hell. That's just as grave a sin as eating twelve babies alive and bathing in their blood.

Frothy, you are correct...and the reasoning is

"First, the belief that a white lie is “helpful” is rooted in the idea that the end justifies the means. If the lie results in a perceived “good,” then the lie was justified. However, God’s condemnation of lying in Proverbs 6:16–19 contains no exception clause. Also, who defines the “good” that results from the lie? A salesman telling white lies may sell his product—a “good” thing for him—but what about the customer who was taken advantage of?"

"Telling a white lie to be “tactful” or to spare someone’s feelings is also a foolish thing to do. A person who consistently lies to make people feel good will eventually be seen for what he is: a liar. Those who traffic in white lies will damage their credibility".

 

[Frothingslosh]

Blade, do I really have to explain to you that, unless you want to sleep on the couch for the next week, the only correct answer to "Does this make my ass look fat?" is "No, dear, not at all."?

Take it from someone who is almost pathologically honest: little white lies are what allow people to exist alongside one another without bloodshed. The ONLY reason I get away with not telling them is that people who know me know that I wouldn't know diplomacy if you beat me with it. And I've learned to just not answer.

 

[CJ.B]

Originally Posted by Brianwarnock
I am also surprised that all sins are equal, does this mean I'm as bad as Hitler as I pinched(stole) a paper clip from the office?

Brian, In God's eyes all sins are equal. You sin, you sin.

Stealing is stealing regardless how big or how it is worth. Only under man's laws is there a difference.

I don’t believe the idea that all sins are equal is correct, Blade / Brian.

Both stealing and murder may be breaking the law and both may be sins, but to somehow conclude that they are therefore equal simply does not follow. All prisoners in a jail may be law breakers, but that doesn’t mean the crimes they committed were equal in any moral sense – just that all committed crimes / all are law breakers.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Brian, In God's eyes all sins are equal. You sin, you sin.

Stealing is stealing regardless how big or how it is worth. Only under man's laws is there a difference.

Then she was correct, who? , the devout Christian I was having a conversation with a few years ago.
I said surely if a person just cannot honestly believe but lives an otherwise good life and is wrong then your God, who is said to be merciful, will forgive him/her. She replied, and if He is not merciful we are all in deep trouble as we have all sinned at sometime.

Have a good day Blade.

Brian

 

[spikepl]

Still silence from above (or wherever), despite my invitations and incantations ...

Come on - how about some small disaster then? A ferry tipping over or a bus down a ravine? You know, the usual stuff with plenty of innocent victims, just to teach everyone some mysterious lesson?

But you could still just write a post here ...

 

[spikepl]

@Frothingslosh

You could try "fora" - sounds very nicely pompous

 

[spikepl]

But wait - a smaller sign could do it too.

Some years ago there was this brain-damaged kid that turned-up to welcome his dad coming back from Iraq, and stunned him by walking unaided into his arms. Everyone went ah and ih, what a god's miracle. The omnipotent but apparently lazy SOB did not see fit to prevent the kid getting the brain damage in the first place, but just milked the event for all the PR among the converted victims.

 

[Bladerunner]

Then she was correct, who? , the devout Christian I was having a conversation with a few years ago.
I said surely if a person just cannot honestly believe but lives an otherwise good life and is wrong then your God, who is said to be merciful, will forgive him/her. She replied, and if He is not merciful we are all in deep trouble as we have all sinned at sometime.

Have a good day Blade.

Brian

(John 14:6) Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

...Notice he did not say, if you do good deeds while you are alive, it will get you into heaven. etc,........"cannot honestly believe" is NOT an option for everlasting life from the scripture above. Your Choice..

 

[Brianwarnock]

So for those who have never heard of him that's just tough.

Just think if you had been born somewhere else you could well be heading to hell, and you believe in this postcode lottery?

Brian

 

[Bladerunner]

So for those who have never heard of him that's just tough.

Just think if you had been born somewhere else you could well be heading to hell, and you believe in this postcode lottery?

Brian

That is why he has not come back the second time YET! When he left he told he told his disciples, Mathew 28:19.

That is one thing the church does well. There are not a whole lot of people left that have not been touched by the Christian church.

Of course one can always claim he did not know!? I prefer to believe that a God who can tell his prophets that certain events will happen on certain days 150 to 200 years in the future and they actually happen to the day, can know what is in your heart. My guess is it is very hard to lie to him.

 

[Bladerunner]

Still silence from above (or wherever), despite my invitations and incantations ...

Come on - how about some small disaster then? A ferry tipping over or a bus down a ravine? You know, the usual stuff with plenty of innocent victims, just to teach everyone some mysterious lesson?

But you could still just write a post here ...

Spikepl....FYI .....Earthquakes and other disasters are on the rise with frequency and intensity since the early 1900s as foretold in the Bible. Those Innocent people you speak of, died because their days on this earth had run out. The Bible tells us everyone's days are numbered from the time he/she is born. Those that truly believe are now in heaven and those that do not believe, well.....are Dead in 'the' Nothingness I have heard so much about from some of the most brilliant minds on this section of this forum. Rem, we are all born to die

The Doctor (who had died about a year earlier) came to me one night in a dream. He told me to tell my father 'not to worry, it was wonderful on the other side" two years before my fathers death.. He did not tell me when to tell but some how I knew the right time. After I whispered these words into his ear, he let go and died peacefully.

I am comforted in the fact that I will meet him again once I leave this world.

Regardless (irregardless, lol) of what you think, there is a heaven and the end of the world as we know it is coming. It may be tomorrow or it maybe 50 years or more from now but it is coming. While the Bible forewarns of the events that have to happen prior to those days, the Bible does give us clues as to the month and days it will happen, Only God knows the exact date of the beginning of the end.

 

[Bladerunner]

So for those who have never heard of him that's just tough.

Just think if you had been born somewhere else you could well be heading to hell, and you believe in this postcode lottery?

Brian

Brian, there is no lottery here, it is a choice. A private, individual choice.

 

[ColinEssex]

Brian, there is no lottery here, it is a choice. A private, individual choice.

If that were true, why is it necessary for religious freaks to ram it down people's throats at every opportunity. It's creepy, unnecessary and annoying yet they still do it.

Col

 

[Brianwarnock]

Brian, there is no lottery here, it is a choice. A private, individual choice.

LOL you really do put your own meaning on what people write, the lottery was where you are born, if you had been born in India you would probably almost certainly be a Hindu not a Christian, if you had been born deep in the Brazilian jungle you would have been.. Well do you get the message yet?

Brian

 

[Bladerunner]

If that were true, why is it necessary for religious freaks to ram it down people's throats at every opportunity. It's creepy, unnecessary and annoying yet they still do it.

Col

Just like I did, COLIN? I did not know the extent of the contact you had with the chrurch however, All I can say is it is a choice. DO not and I repeat Do not fail to make the right choice because of you animosity for the church.

Now if I have over stepped any boundaries in the past , I apologize to you and will not address you again.


Have a good week
Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

LOL you really do put your own meaning on what people write, the lottery was where you are born, if you had been born in India you would probably almost certainly be a Hindu not a Christian, if you had been born deep in the Brazilian jungle you would have been.. Well do you get the message yet?

Brian

There are Christians in India. I would have had a choice?

The Brazilian Jungle well I would have been Christian. As I said there are not a lot of places that do not know about God. However, I understand what you are trying to say. My answer is, I would hope that God treats them as children should they not know about Him. However, I also stated, it would not be good to tell a little white lie about that knowledge.or lack thereof.

 

[Bladerunner]

LOL you really do put your own meaning on what people write, the lottery was where you are born, if you had been born in India you would probably almost certainly be a Hindu not a Christian, if you had been born deep in the Brazilian jungle you would have been.. Well do you get the message yet?

Brian

As far as the lottery is concern, I honestly missed that? Sorry

 

[Vassago]

And so it begins....................

in a Rowan County, KY court clerks office. It seems the ACLU has filed a law suit against Democratic Kim Davis. She has refused to issue marriage license to anyone both homosexual or heterosexual. She tells them to get their license in neighboring counties.


It is called civil disobedience and I fear it is only the beginning.

http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...u-lawsuit-rowan-clerks-gay-marriage/29639341/

This isn't a case of a church refusing to marry a gay couple. This is a public servant refusing to do her job. She should be taken out and let someone else step up that will do the job.

 

[Bladerunner]

This isn't a case of a church refusing to marry a gay couple. This is a public servant refusing to do her job. She should be taken out and let someone else step up that will do the job.

This is not a case of discrimination........SHe does not dish out marriage license to anyone. Under Ky law, a license obtain anywhere in the state can be used anywhere.

The state is taking actions because she is not complying with the law dealing with the clerks office. This law only deals with the marriage license that are issued or supposed to issued. Why because under KY law if children are involved in a marriage, the county where they live has to issue the license. She has effectively stopped this. Accordingly she could go to jail for a year if she continues.

Having said that, it may be her religious beliefs not to help Gays get married, but it is against the law of the state to not issue marriage license from any county clerk office in the state. She will be forced to leave or issue the marriage license to ALL.
The frackin' ACLU went there with the gays in pocket just in case this happened and filed suite immediately.. All this does is promote increased bad feelings to the point of HATE. We do not need that, but this is the way of the Gays and their ACLU lawyers.

The lady with the Cake is a example. Why must she be forced to become part of the Gay marriage by making a cake that is not (one of the ones in the store front created for anyone to buy) but rather a special one for just them.

Anther example, comes into a furniture store, looks at the tables that are for sale and notice a sign that custom made tables are available. They decide they do not want a 'fit-all' table but a custom one. The owner decides that if he makes them a custom table, he will be helping them with their lifestyle which is against my religious beliefs. He refuses to build them a custom table.

Are They going to force me to build that table????????....Sure they will!!!! You see where we are going???????

You are right, the lady needs to be either removed from office or persuaded to issues marriage licenses to all. (BY THE STATE) not a damn lawsuit.

 

[Frothingslosh]

1) You keep saying "the gays". You do, realize, the kind of homophobia this reveals? It indicates that you don't see them in the same category that you see "people".
2) She is legally obligated to issue the marriage certificate if the couple qualifies. The couple met the requirements, and she refused. This places her in violation of the law. Because it is absolutely a civil rights issue, and because anyone with two working brain cells could see this coming all over the more conservative areas of the country, why are you so surprised the ACLU was ready and waiting?
3) By your logic, selling ammunition to someone who later commits a murder is taking part in that murder. Is she having sex with the gay couple? Is she receiving benefits from being in a recognized relationship with them? If not, then she is not taking part of that marriage.

Granting someone the same rights you have had your entire life is not 'oppressing you'. You, like most of the Religious Reich, cannot handle the fact that you no longer get to dictate to society what they are to believe, and the very idea that other religions (or none at all) could POSSIBLY have the same legal status as your particular branch Christianity obviously terrifies you.

As to the baker thing you "people" so love to bring up: It happened in Oregon, where there are very explicit anti-discrimination laws barring discrimination against certain groups and for certain reasons. Included in the protected groups are LGBT individuals, and discrimination based on sexual orientation falls afoul of those laws. What these people is PRECISELY the same as if the bakery had refused service because they were black, or Jewish, or a woman placed the order.

Or are you going to sit here and argue that discrimination based on color, religion, or gender should also be perfectly acceptable? Or that, perhaps, "my religion says this" should trump all laws?