Are you an atheist? (8 Viewers)

[Vassago]

No they do not want to bake a cake with isis flag on for anyone - nor a "support gay marriage" cake for anyone either.

I don't see anything wrong with refusing that. The cake in question did not say "support gay marriage." It was a simple cake design that was refused because of the orientation of the customer, hence the discrimination. The bakers admitted that is why they refused.

Basically, they were going to make the cake, but when they found out the customers were lesbian, they refused. That's plain and simple discrimination based on the laws of Oregon.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I don't see anything wrong with refusing that. The cake in question did not say "support gay marriage." It was a simple cake design that was refused because of the orientation of the customer, hence the discrimination. The bakers admitted that is why they refused.

Basically, they were going to make the cake, but when they found out the customers were lesbian, they refused. That's plain and simple discrimination based on the laws of Oregon.

I think me and Brian are talking of a different thing to you. In NI the slogan was what they objected to not the customer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32065233

 

[Vassago]

I think me and Brian are talking of a different thing to you. In NI the slogan was what they objected to not the customer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32065233

I saw that story, but I thought you were responding and comparing that story to the one Bladerunner was talking about in Oregon.

I disagree with the Northern Ireland ruling. I don't feel like a bakery should be forced to design a cake slogan of something they disagree with. There's a huge difference between the Northern Ireland and Oregon, US cases, for sure. The bakery in Oregon actually admitted they refused the standard cake because of the orientation of the customers. They wanted a standard cake they offered everyone. There was no special message involved.

 

[Galaxiom]

No they do not want to bake a cake with isis flag on for anyone - nor a "support gay marriage" cake for anyone either.

There was a case in Louisiana last month where a Walmart baker refused to put a Confederate flag on a cake, so the annoyed customer asked for another design which they obliged, apparently not realising it was an ISIS battle flag.

 

[Bladerunner]

They based their refusal, not on the message on the cake, but on the fact that the customers were gay. You fail to understand the difference. They actually said, it was BECAUSE the customer was gay. That is against the law in Oregon. Thankfully, they are smart enough to have laws that prevent discrimination based on sexual orientation, right along with race, gender, ethnic background, etc...

Frackin' liberal way, destroy everybody who don't think like they do especially the Christians.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The fact that this Wal-Mart cake incident occurred in Slidell, LA is no surprise to me. I live in New Orleans, which is across Lake Ponchartrain from there, about a 30 minute drive in good weather with light traffic. The local joke is that we prefer to go with people from the West Bank of New Orleans rather than Slidellians because at least the West Bank folks are more likely to get their tattoos spelled correctly.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Frackin' liberal way, destroy everybody who don't think like they do especially the Christians.

If being liberal means preventing closed-minded yokels from taking explicitly discriminatory action in violation of the rights of others, the yokels deserve some pain. Maybe not destruction, but certainly SOME kind of public chastisement. Maybe some bad advertising would do the trick.

 

[Galaxiom]

Frackin' liberal way, destroy everybody who don't think like they do especially the Christians.

Yeah. They already got away with insisting on equal rights for women and African Americans.

 

[Bladerunner]

If being liberal means preventing closed-minded yokels from taking explicitly discriminatory action in violation of the rights of others, the yokels deserve some pain. Maybe not destruction, but certainly SOME kind of public chastisement. Maybe some bad advertising would do the trick.

In these United States it is destruction for the people who don't believe as the liberal does. You are included in that Doc. It really does not matter if it is right or wrong but rather how the liberal thinks it is.

 

[Frothingslosh]

You know, watching Blade's descent into delusion and paranoia is quite interesting, the way he projects onto liberals his own political intentions and desires.

What Blade (intentionally, I'm sure) left out of the LA cake thing was that, while the second cake request was for an ISIS flag, the employee who took the order and made the cake had no idea what that flag was, and would have rejected the order had they known.

Also, I know the guy. He's an acquaintance of my best friend, and very nearly a clone of Blade.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Yeah. They already got away with insisting on equal rights for women and African Americans.

Next up, the FEMA...er..I mean WalMart death camps.

So how did that invasion of Texas go? I don't recall hearing about any pitched battles of patriotic conservative heroes vs evil goose-stepping US soldiers lately.

 

[Bladerunner]

They based their refusal, not on the message on the cake, but on the fact that the customers were gay. You fail to understand the difference. They actually said, it was BECAUSE the customer was gay. That is against the law in Oregon. Thankfully, they are smart enough to have laws that prevent discrimination based on sexual orientation, right along with race, gender, ethnic background, etc...

If it had been a cake (routine) in the bakery, it would have been sold to them. It was a very special cake. The owner stated: "We sat down with the owner, Jack Phillips. And within a couple of moments he asked me if the cake was for us, and we told him that it was, and he then told us he would not make a cake for a same-sex wedding." Let me repeat that for all you liberals out there that want to change the words to fit your agenda. SAME_SEX MARRIAGE.

They did not say because they were homosexual or gay, lesbian, bisexual or transvestite. Not even a Gay wedding. Nothing about GAYS as Frothy would call them Bigots. SAME_SEX WEDDING.

And the reason was based on their Religious Beliefs.

oh, and here is that special cake: Now I ask you ,,,does this not just fit their lifestlye???????well, they thought so.....

Craig: I guess we ended up making it a really complex cake. We did a chai mocha layer and — I don’t know.

I want to hear all the details here.

Mullins: So we had one layer that was white cake with layers of buttercream frosting. We had a layer of a chai cake, which was fascinating. We actually just asked if they would do that and they sort of thought about it and they said yes, we can do that. It sort of came out with a gingerbread taste. It was really good. Then we had a layer that was chocolate.

 

[Bladerunner]

oh I forgot to give you the address so one or two could look it up and distort it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...gins-in-colorado-same-sex-marriage-cake-case/

 

[Galaxiom]

They did not say because they were homosexual or gay, lesbian, bisexual or transvestite. Not even a Gay wedding. Nothing about GAYS as Frothy would call them Bigots. SAME_SEX WEDDING.

Exactly. I'm sure they would have also rejected making a cake for a same sex wedding if it had been for a heterosexual couple.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Blade please explain the difference between a Gay wedding and a Same Sex wedding, I'm puzzled.

I actually can see a distinction between homosexuality and same sex weddings, ie one could be against the latter but accept the former, however I accept both.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

I'm also puzzled by you banging on about lifestyle. Does my liking of coffee fudge cake say something about my life style?

Brian

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I'm also puzzled by you banging on about lifestyle. Does my liking of coffee fudge cake say something about my life style?

Brian

Is it a euphemism?

 

[Bladerunner]

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Blade please explain the difference between a Gay wedding and a Same Sex wedding, I'm puzzled.

I actually can see a distinction between homosexuality and same sex weddings, ie one could be against the latter but accept the former, however I accept both.

Brian

Hi Brian.......Well, we all know what a Same-Sex wedding is........ But I am confused what the word 'Gay' wedding is especially since Doc and Frothy have told me I don't use it right.. Let's be blunt here Brian, It is against God's rules in both the Old and New Testament for a man to lay with another man, etc. Matthew 9:3,8:

Homosexual wedding, or same-sex wedding is against the Christian religion and I too, would not take part in a same-sex wedding even if it was for one of my children. There is no HATE here , it is just my belief but the liberals of this country are trying to force everybody to think as they do or ELSE.

Matthew 9:4,6
"4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female"
5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’
6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Therefore, because it is now the law of these United States, I will tolerate a same-sex marriage, treat the people of those type marriages the same as I treat any other person on this planet. I will however not condone their CHOSEN lifestyle nor will I ever ACCEPT it.

To Frothy; Yes, I know Bisexuals can be married but then you knew what I meant did'nt you???????/ All homosexual lifestyles is wrong according to God's word which is one reason why Atheism is growing,,,,,,,...... Too Bad,,,,,I was rather hoping that they (LGBT) people would before they die, make the right choice and seek everlasting life but again it is their choice and as someone said,,,,,,,"no skin off your" (my) "nose". We have a saying here in TN,,,,,, "you can take a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink". Too Bad

 

[Frothingslosh]

You really need to get over this lying habit, Blade. You are yet again intentionally misrepresenting Matthew 9, just like you did last week.

Of course, this is far from the first time you've deliberately misrepresented something here, so I really shouldn't be surprised.

Just out of curiosity, wasn't there even some special law supposedly engraved on some stone tablets saying something about lying?

 

[Brianwarnock]

Shouldn't it be Matthew chapter 19 4:6 ?

Don't know about the first reference but it's not 9:3,8

Brian