Are you an atheist? (1 Viewer)

[Bladerunner]

I think the core message of the Gospel is "Good News" as illustrated here..

AccessBlaster,

I guess I read it wrong,,,,as I have Doc and his Fear of God statement.

The gospels, (the story of Jesus Christ) I do not tell. I leave that to someone else far better than me. I have kept my head buried in the prophecies. It is amazing.

However, I have never lied to you or the others. God is real, the Bible is real and the FREE choice is real. All you have to do is ask!

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Just a small quibble with you here. The Ottoman Empiren/turkey controlled what is now called Israel till 1916 not 1900. After that it was under the control the British until 1948.

You really need to make sure your facts are correct because just one error weakens all your arguments.

Thank you Rabbi,,, I left out the (s) 1500(s) to 1900(s). Notice the 1200 date should have been 1200(s) as well. I was just telling the story not trying to be exact. However, thank you for at least checking it out.

Yes, The Balfour Declaration of November 1917, gave the land back to Israel, yes with British oversee (see below). The Mamluks, who had been reigning in Jerusalem since 1250, were conquered in 1517 by the Ottoman Turks.

Yes, exactly 400 years ----yes they were right. from the 1500s to the 1900s.
You know for a prophecy a few years would have been ok, but this was on the money. This ended the Jewish Diaspora that had lasted a little over 2000 years. (this is not exact)

In 1948, Israel became a nation (in one day) less than 24 hours later they were attached by Islamic Muslims, I think about 7 countries at one time.


Here is the URL if you want exactly.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/12th-century-rabbi-predicted-israels-future/

Nonetheless, the influence of the Balfour Declaration on the course of post-war events was immediate: According to the “mandate” system created by the Versailles Treaty of 1919, Britain was entrusted with the temporary administration of Palestine, with the understanding that it would work on behalf of both its Jewish and Arab inhabitants. Many Arabs, in Palestine and elsewhere, were angered by their failure to receive the nationhood and self-government they had been led to expect in return for their participation in the war against Turkey. In the years after the war, the Jewish population in Palestine increased dramatically, along with the instances of Jewish-Arab violence. The area’s instability led Britain to delay making a decision on Palestine’s future. In the aftermath of World War II and the terrors of the Holocaust, however, growing international support for Zionism led to the official declaration in 1948 of the State of Israel.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-balfour-declaration

Have a nice day

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Another thing, Blade-
If Satan made Eve eat the apple (from the tree of knowledge, giving human beings the ability to think, to reason, to question the existence of spiritual beings, essentially - and if not, what is the fruit from the TOK good for anyway) - so if she had never eaten that fruit, and Adam had never eaten that fruit, and we were in paradise, would we know or care that we were in paradise?
You think the evolution of species is all a fabrication or a gross mis-understanding of the origins and development of life on Earth?
You can write off all the contradictions and just plain old terrible advice in the Bible?
You think that the only true forces are GOOD and EVIL, the former backed by the Man above and the latter by the "fallen angel" below? So wars and baseball games are really being fought - and played - in proxy for these two deities?
If you believe all this, then I can say that you TOO have chosen. You've chosen the path of ignorance and it's there you seem doomed to stay.
Whatever will you say to the Gatekeeper (if he indeed exists) when he lets me in as a freethinker, but you are condemned for believing claptrap with no evidence.

Libre:
Satan convinced Eve to eat the apple,,,,It was a choice? So was Adams Choice although his choice was made because of Love.

There is a hiccup in this part of the scripture. It is evident by the scriptures in Gen 3:6, that EVE was experiencing lust and want of the tree. Until then they had been in the garden for some time and had not even thought about the tree. the phrase (that it was pleasant to the eyes,) comes up again in Revelations.

Personally , I think that Satan not only told her the apple was good for her but used his powers to get her to lust for that apple.

The moral of the story, if he can do that to her, he certainly do it to us.

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Evolution of the species is antithetical to the word of God. Rem, all the animals on land (ALL of them) was made on the sixth day with Man being last on that list. Yes, there are mutations, and changes in a species on a small scale, but nothing that would suggest that man came from a monkey or birds came from Dinosaurs. Except there were some birds that were dinosaurs .....several of them from what I rem.
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contradictions and terrible advice in the Bible........Care to expand on that?

Oh, come on Libre,,,, you running around in left field here. you compare a war to a ball game. You know what is good and evil.!

We are all free thinkers..... Free to do what we want, free to make decisions of all kinds..That free thinking makes us who we are.......I know what you are trying to say but that ole dog won't hunt.

Have a good day

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

You are part of a faith based religion that struggles to prove your points with rhetoric. Faith, good works and leading by example is all the proof you need.

Rhetoric????? Why do we try and get you to save your soul. Ask yourself--WHY? What do we get out of it????? NOTHING

I personally could be your friend regardless of your religious persuasion. Yet, for, I guess the humanity of it, I try to get you to choose to live forever?

My Bad

Have a good day my friend

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Hey Blade-
You could give me a magic coin and tell me, if I make a wish with the magic coin in my hand, the wish will come true - and the only requirement is that I truly believe deep in my heart that the coin is really magic. I can't just SAY that it's magic, I have to actually BELIEVE that it is..

Are you going to give me a specific designer book that will prove to me that that coin is magic.

In that case, Yes. but only YES after I take the time to prove to myself that the book he gave me was for real and could indeed prove the coin was real.

Hey Blade- And then if you wished on the coin and the wish didn't come true, you're told either:
1- it WILL come true someday
2- it didn't come true because you didn't REALLY believe the coin was magic
or some combination of 1 and 2. You might be told you only have to wish HARDER or believe in the coin even MORE.

I will assume that is is in reference to a prayer that was not answered? What can I say?????????

I know of prayers that have been answered. my Mother prayed every night that I was out when I was a teenager. Around here, getting hurt or killed is very easy especially for teenagers. I am still alive so I guess her prayers were answered and there have been times when I knew for a fact, I had a angel in my pocket. All of you, I am sure have had those times.

I know of a fact, having worked in the medical field for many years, that prayers really are answered. In most cases, it was simply a miracle, In other, instances, the answer was more subtle.

Right now, within the Muslim country of IRAN, Christianity is growing by a whopping 17%. There are many stories coming out of there that many miracles have been happening.

Sometimes the answered prayer comes in an unexpected form or as I said in another post, sometimes the absence of an answer is the answer unto itself.

Have a good day my friend

Blade

 

[Frothingslosh]

Hey, look: an early working draft of the KJV has been found. Funny, it sure sounds like the KJV didn't just get magically delivered to the printers by HeavenlyExpress. In fact, it appears that it went through the same editing process every translation went through.

 

[Libre]

Libre:
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contradictions and terrible advice in the Bible........Care to expand on that?
Blade

Just dealing with contradictions, here. And far too many to post. It would greatly exceed the 25,000 character limit of posts on this forum.

The terrible advice on some other day.

Excerpted from:
http://www.amazon.com/Lucifers-Handbook-Simplified-Critique-Religion-ebook/dp/B003DKJBWM


Mt 2:13 Wise men follow star and report to Herod. Herod has all children slaughtered, and
Joseph and family flee to Egypt, where Jesus grows up. Contra Mk, Lk, & Jn, in which none of
this happened. Lk 2:39 says Jesus grew up in Nazareth.

Lk 2:1-7 Joseph comes to Bethlehem to pay taxes; stays in manger; Jesus born there;
shepherds hear angels and come visit. Contra Mt, Mk, & Jn, in which none of this happened.
In Lk, there is no star, no wise men, and no slaughter and flight, as in Mt.

In fact, Mk and Jn apparently thought there was nothing at all unusual about Jesus' birth. It is
not even mentioned.

Jn 2:1-11 says that when Jesus turned water to wine at age thirty-three, that was first sign of
messiahship, thus denying anything unusual about birth or baptism (in which God supposedly
spoke from Heaven.) Jn 7:40 says Jesus not born in Bethlehem, as the Scriptures had
predicted The Christ would be, (and which was later supplied by Matthew and Luke).

Acts 13:22 Messiah was prophesied to be descendant of David; there was no mention of
virgins. And in Rom 1:1 Paul denies Virgin Birth; he says Jesus is a descendant of David
according to the flesh. And in Rev 22:16 Jesus says he is descendant of David. Throughout, He
admits He is the son of Joseph according to the flesh, the son of God only "spiritually;" He
never mentions a Virgin Birth. (Note: Virgin Birth an obvious Pagan influence, in which
everybody who was anybody was the son of a virgin and a god. Discussed at greater length
later.)

Mt 10:1 & Mk 3:13 Jesus appoints twelve disciples, including one Thaddaeus, and one Judas.
Contra Lk 6:13, Jn 14:22 & Acts 1:12, in which the twelve include two Judases: Judas
Iscariot, and Judas, the brother of James, but no one called Thaddaeus. (Note: Pagan sun-gods
often had twelve "satellites," since the solar year is divided into twelve lunar months.)

Lk 22:45 Disciples go to sleep in garden and are awakened by Jesus only once. Contra Mt
26:36, & Mk 14:32 in which it happens a nice even three times. (Note: Ancient mysticism
regarded the number three as the most magical of all numbers. See "trinities" later in discussion.

Sevens, tens, and forties were rather potent also; but in all mythology, things are made to
happen in threes if at all possible. (In tracing the origins of the Bible through language analysis,
researchers found that originally it said baptism should be done in the name of the Father and
Son only; but several hundred years later, some scribe could no longer stand copying such an
awkward number, so he rounded it out to the more significant, and aesthetically satisfying, three
by adding a separate "Holy Ghost.")

Mt 26:49, & Mk 14:43 Judas betrays Jesus with a kiss. Contra Jn 18:4 in which he does not;
Jesus voluntarily turns Himself over to the soldiers as soon as He sees them. (Note: A bit
strange that, if Jesus had been speaking to multitudes, it would be necessary for a disciple to
point Him out.)

Lk 22:50 Ear of guard is cut off, and Jesus puts it back on. Contra Mt, Mk, & Lk, in which He
just lets it lie on the ground.

Lk 23:6 Pilate sends Jesus to Herod; Herod sends Him back. Contra other three Gospels, in
which he does no such thing.

Mt 27:24 Pilate washes hands. In other Gospels he does not.

Jn 19:17 Jesus carries His own cross. Contra Mt, Mk, & Lk, in which man called Simon of
Cyrene carries it for Him.

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Here's the book (or part of it):
http://www.miltontimmons.com/LuciferPt1.html

 

[Bladerunner]

Hey, look: an early working draft of the KJV has been found. Funny, it sure sounds like the KJV didn't just get magically delivered to the printers by HeavenlyExpress. In fact, it appears that it went through the same editing process every translation went through.

Hey Frothy: Yes, the KJV was written in the early to late 1600. King James VI or possible James I saw to that.

I use it exclusively mainly because it is closer to the Septuagint, Latin, Hebrew and Codex (scrolls) than any other. A lot of the newer bibles have tried to make it more PC or user friendly but that takes away what it was designed for.

Yes, the KJV has its problems, Rapture-Harpozo --caught -up and of course the 'Church' should have been Ecclesia. Man has misused this for years. But I guess if it had been Ecclesia, we would now have (for example only) the Roman Catholic Ecclesia. Man screws everything up at one time or the other. It is because of that free will we have.

have a nice day

Blade

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Blade, I have tried to be fair and even, and it appears that one of my posts could have been incorrectly interpreted as calling you a "jerk-wad." My intent was that the apologist who wrote an article on the meaning of Greek "phob" as a root word was the jerk-wad. He was trying to argue that black was white, that red was green, and that fear was reverence. In other words, he was trying to use "convenient" definitions. He was trying to say that fear was not fear. Shades of Orwellian double-speak!

If you took offence to that post, I apologize for being a bit imprecise as to whom I was calling a jerk-wad. You were not the intended target of that epithet.

Now, as to the link from Frothingslosh - I saw that article and it was made clear that the KJV was a directed translation. (I.e. where there was an optional meaning, King James directed the scribes as to the sense of the translation they would use.) James, you see, was a noted misogynist and wanted to cement his power by making a translation to counter the alternative interpretations of the Bible in use at that time. So whenever there was a choice, the scribes were told to downplay women and increase the strength of the words favoring an authoritarian (and rather harsh) God. The former was one of James's personal prejudices. The latter was a nod to the church in opposition to the various denominations in which a schism had already occurred.

It is for this reason that I long ago realized I could not trust ANY PART of the KJV - because I had no easy way to know which parts of the translation were influenced by the biases imposed by King James. I could guess - but I could not be sure. And you know, of course, that the scribes followed the Golden Rule as King James knew it: "They that have the gold make the rules."

Having said that, I must express sadness that you choose to follow a book known to be a biased translation. It means that YOU have been "poisoned" (in your attitudes) by the venom that went into the translation. I don't believe in God because none of the modern translations contain anything that changes my mind on the subject, but I can see the headaches that KJV brings about in everyday life, and that encompasses so many of the modern religions that it makes me almost sick to think of it. It also makes me sad to hear folks say that the Bible was "inspired by God" when in fact the KJV was inspired by a woman-hater and political wheeler-dealer.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Blade, I'm curious to know how you can stand there with a straight face and call the Bible the inerrant word of God in one post while in another stating that you know your preferred version (which you've already said is 100% accurate and divinely inspired) has...issues.

 

[Bladerunner]

Just dealing with contradictions, here. And far too many to post. It would greatly exceed the 25,000 character limit of posts on this forum.

The terrible advice on some other day.

Excerpted from:
http://www.amazon.com/Lucifers-Handbook-Simplified-Critique-Religion-ebook/dp/B003DKJBWM


Mt 2:13 Wise men follow star and report to Herod. Herod has all children slaughtered, and
Joseph and family flee to Egypt, where Jesus grows up. Contra Mk, Lk, & Jn, in which none of
this happened. Lk 2:39 says Jesus grew up in Nazareth.

Matthew 2:13.......KJV
13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

Libre.....Notice the phrase.'until I bring word'........Also rem, that Herod died that night of the killings of the children. It did not continue after that.

Then look to Matthew 2, 15: (And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.)

The book you speak of adds in "where he grew up" and does not tell you he was called out of Egypt.......No wonder there is a conflict...

Satan has done his home work. What is the best way to keep you away from God. Deception.. we see that directly used with Eve and many other places in the Bible. I find it interesting Satan's very name 'Lucifer' is listed on your book of choice.

I can debunk all the others and probably add a few of my own.

(i.e. Abraham and Isaac...you know the story..Yet when they left the MTN, in Genesis 22: 19: (Then Abraham returned to his servants, and they set off together for Beersheba. And Abraham stayed in Beersheba.)

Where is Isaac?????? he is not mentioned until later in Genesis where he is getting married.

The Bible does this a lot. Realistically, we know that Abraham had his son with him when he went down the mountain, however, the spotlight is not on Isaac anymore until later.

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Lk 23:6 Pilate sends Jesus to Herod; Herod sends Him back. Contra other three Gospels, in which he does no such thing.

I urge you to use this link and read the article...There were several Herods in the Bible. http://www.gotquestions.org/Herods.html

Do you have a specific Contradiction you would like me to address.

Have a good day.

Blade

 

[AccessBlaster]

Rhetoric????? Why do we try and get you to save your soul. Ask yourself--WHY? What do we get out of it????? NOTHING

I personally could be your friend regardless of your religious persuasion. Yet, for, I guess the humanity of it, I try to get you to choose to live forever?

My Bad

Have a good day my friend

Blade

You don't know my faith. I'm just trying to get one point across. If you turn people away from the Gospel through rhetoric are you not committing a sin? The answer shouldn't require fifteen paragraphs.

 

[Bladerunner]

Blade, I'm curious to know how you can stand there with a straight face and call the Bible the inerrant word of God in one post while in another stating that you know your preferred version (which you've already said is 100% accurate and divinely inspired) has...issues.

Hi Frothy...I will answer your and Doc's question/statement here.

We are in a time like no other, because we can read the Bible and go to the originals if needed to check for accuracy. At no other time in history has this been possible.

Most all the discrepancies are caused by the definition where a different word is used here and there.The original meaning remains the same. At one post you correctly said that "rapture' was not in the Bible. Yet, in the KJV the Phrase is "caught-up' which pertains to the words, Raptura (Medevil Latin) means seizing or carrying away. While it is not used in our Bible today, the meaning of this word is used. The Greek (septuagint) word for 'caught-up' is Harpozo. In Hebrew, saphah (caught-up) is the transliteraltion of the original word -- סָפָה

The scribes rightly used the word 'caught-up' where in all 3 original translated languages the meaning of their word is or is close to the same.

Another word 'Church',,,,,,what I am going to do is give you a link and let you see for yourselves if you please. However, the the Hebrew word 'qahal' ( the word in Herbrew language will not print on my computer). Anyways, It means congregation. The Septuagint is Ekklesia means "assembly of the citizens".
http://www.graftedinfellowship.org/uploads/5/7/3/3/5733440/the_word_church.pdf


The Bible follows all three and when need the original codex (scrolls) very closely regardless of what you have heard.. Do you really think that God would allow his book to be desecrated. I think Not? but you really need to answer that question yourself.

There is already one written by Lucifer out there. Even has his name on it.

Have a nice day......

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

You don't know my faith. I'm just trying to get one point across. If you turn people away from the Gospel through rhetoric are you not committing a sin? The answer shouldn't require fifteen paragraphs.

The level of Apostasy in the Local Churches today is unbelievable. They are addressed in the Bible and will be judged accordingly when the time comes.

Rhetoric- language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.

This is a gotcha question!. What you want a Yes or a No.......?.

To be a false Prophet , Yes, is considered a sin!

have nice day

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

You don't know my faith. I'm just trying to get one point across. If you turn people away from the Gospel through rhetoric are you not committing a sin? The answer shouldn't require fifteen paragraphs.

You are right, I do not know you faith but you project you are an Atheist or a Agnostic. If this is the case you have no faith or allegiance except to Satan.

Have a Good Day...


Blade

 

[Frothingslosh]

So basically you're once again backtracking on the whole 'inspired word of God' and going with 'translating is difficult so God tells us what is correct'. Got it, you're basically once again dodging a question you can't answer.

So when (as always happens) different people disagree on a translation, how do you determine which one speaks for God and which one sold his soul to Satan? Oh, right, the one who agrees with your pre-existing belief is the one who obviously speaks for God. Funny how God ALWAYS agrees with you no matter how far into crazyland you go.

AB is right. The drivel spewing forth every time you post is rhetoric, nothing more.

 

[Frothingslosh]

You are right, I do not know you faith but you project you are an Atheist or a Agnostic. If this is the case you have no faith or allegiance except to Satan.

Have a Good Day...


Blade

Out of curiosity, if AB is atheist (and I don't know that he is), how can you go from 'believes there is no such thing as Satan' to 'has sworn allegiance to Satan'? Sounds like you are, as usual, projecting your insanity on AB.

 

[dan-cat]

If this is the case you have no faith or allegiance except to Satan.

When you say something like this it is so unfathomably insulting that you cannot possibly have any emotional connection to your words.

You come across as an insufferable know it all who hasn't (unable?) experienced the hurt that such rhetoric causes.

 

[Frothingslosh]

When you say something like this it is so unfathomably insulting that you cannot possibly have any emotional connection to your words.

You come across as an insufferable know it all who hasn't (unable?) experienced the hurt that such rhetoric causes.

Oh, I rather doubt he cares. If you don't believe precisely as he does, after all, you're The Enemy.

 

[Bladerunner]

Out of curiosity, if AB is atheist (and I don't know that he is), how can you go from 'believes there is no such thing as Satan' to 'has sworn allegiance to Satan'? Sounds like you are, as usual, projecting your insanity on AB.

not going to get in a food fight with you Frothy.

Blade