Are you an atheist?

[Rabbie]

It seems that we are edging ever closer to Mike's original position.

"I did not say there were no genuine atheists but many who claim to be atheists are not so.....they might not believe in God or a god but at the back of their mind there is something. "

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To complete Mike' remark In my experience there are very few genuine atheists. Some give the game away by using (and living by).....the harder I work the luckier I get...what goes round comes around..etc and etc. I do not consider he is correct in his supposition that these remarks necessarily show agnostic tendencies. I believe that often you make your own luck. You put the work in and things seem to go well. and also I have noticed that there is truth in the old proverb that those who live by the sword die by the sword. In other words what goes around comes around. No belief in a supernatural being required from my point of view.

 

[Mike375]

Alisa, now you are changing your story again.

But even with your change of story you are still agnostic.

100% atheist has no other possibilities. They are the counterpart of religious people.

 

[Mike375]

Rabbie,

I think you are the exception.

As a side note are you 100% atheist or do you allow for other possibilities.

 

[Mike375]

Unlike the Bible eh

The Bible was not being used to support itself.

 

[Alisa]

Alisa, now you are changing your story again.

How am I changing my story?

But even with your change of story you are still agnostic.

How am I agnostic?

100% atheist has no other possibilities. They are the counterpart of religious people.

I agree that those who chose option 1 on this poll are the counterpart of those who chose option 5. But I don't follow you to your implied, (il)logical conclusion that you can't be an atheist and allow for the theoretical possibility that there is a god at the same time.

 

[Rabbie]

Alisa, now you are changing your story again.

But even with your change of story you are still agnostic.

100% atheist has no other possibilities. They are the counterpart of religious people.

I disagree with your definitions. Too tight to be really useful. If you grade peoples beliefs on a scale of 1 to 7 where 1 is an absolute faith in GOd or gods and 7 is an absolute 100% Atheist as per your defintition I would still regard people at 2 on the scale as being religious even if they sometimes have doubts "Lord, I believe. Help thou my unbelief" and similarly I would regard people scoring 6 or 6.5 as atheists.

 

[Alisa]

The Bible was not being used to support itself.

Well if it is not being used to support itself, I don't know what else is, because there isn't anything else you can use to support the bible.

 

[Mike375]

But I don't follow you to your implied, (il)logical conclusion that you can't be an atheist and allow for the theoretical possibility that there is a god at the same time.

Go to some of the atheist associations/clubs.

You are agnostic.

 

[Rich]

To complete Mike' remark In my experience there are very few genuine atheists..

and by the same token there are very few genuine Christians especially in America, now what was your point?

 

[Alisa]

Go to some of the atheist associations/clubs.

Atheist. Club.
Now there's an oxymoron.

 

[Mike375]

I disagree with your definitions. Too tight to be really useful. If you grade peoples beliefs on a scale of 1 to 7 where 1 is an absolute faith in GOd or gods and 7 is an absolute 100% Atheist as per your defintition I would still regard people at 2 on the scale as being religious even if they sometimes have doubts "Lord, I believe. Help thou my unbelief" and similarly I would regard people scoring 6 or 6.5 as atheists.

Being religious as in your scale of a 2 includes heaps of admitted agnostics. Every Sunday churches are full of agnostics.

Relating to the Christian end of things the atheist is the counterpart to the "born again"...strictly 1s and 7s

 

[georgedwilkinson]

and by the same token there are very few genuine Christians especially in America, now what was your point?

That's good to know! How did you make that determination? What is your definition of "Christian?"

 

[Mike375]

Atheist. Club.
Now there's an oxymoron.

Atheists have those or associations, even have donations etc.

 

[Rabbie]

Being religious as in your scale of a 2 includes heaps of admitted agnostics. Every Sunday churches are full of agnostics.

Relating to the Christian end of things the atheist is the counterpart to the "born again"...strictly 1s and 7s

Then we will have to agree to disagree on these definitions

 

[Rabbie]

and by the same token there are very few genuine Christians especially in America, now what was your point?

My point was that Mike's comment that "Some give the game away by using (and living by).....the harder I work the luckier I get...what goes round comes around.." did not make a person an agnostic. See my post that you partially quoted from

 

[Mike375]

Then we will have to agree to disagree on these definitions

It is probably fair to say if someone is a 2 then they maybe a recruit for the born agains and if a 6 a recruit for the atheists.

 

[Alisa]

Atheists have those or associations, even have donations etc.

The only formal association of atheists that I have ever heard of is the "Brights", but I don't think they are very widespread, don't really know. Then there are the secular humanists, you see them around quite a bit, but they are usually a subgroup within a christian or unitarian church, and I am not really sure what their views are all about (are they really atheists?).
Anyway, atheists are not joiners in general. What are you going do to, get together and talk about which god you don't believe in? What are you going to donate money to, to not saving people's souls? Seems pretty pointless to me.

 

[Mike375]

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/joining.htm

 

[Alisa]

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/joining.htm

Thanks Mike, if I ever move to Australia I will join up right away.

 

[Rich]

How did you make that determination?

I examined the facts

What is your definition of "Christian

One who actually believes that the Bible is actually the spoken word of God and therefore accepts and follows the teachings of Jesus, America as a society ignores most of his words and prefers to fall back on the Old Testament which Jesus supposedly came to replace, and of course it ignores the commandment "though shalt not kill"