Bash Obama Thread

[Alisa]

I don't care what his web site says. The Bush tax cuts are GONE in 2011. The Obama/Pelosi/Reid Triumvarite will not allow them to stay in place - because they are "Bush's".

I don't care what McCain says. He is planning to start WWIII on day 2.

The democrats objected to the Bush tax cuts for the same reason that John McCain USED to oppose the Bush tax cuts - they disproportionately reward the wealthy. They have already said that they are only going to extend the cuts that apply to the middle class, and they will let the cuts that apply to the wealthy expire. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[redneckgeek]

I don't care what McCain says. He is planning to start WWIII on day 2.

The democrats objected to the Bush tax cuts for the same reason that John McCain USED to oppose the Bush tax cuts - they disproportionately reward the wealthy. They have already said that they are only going to extend the cuts that apply to the middle class, and they will let the cuts that apply to the wealthy expire. Why is that so hard to understand?

I COMPLETELY understand what they are saying. I'm really not as dumb as you give me credit for. I just don't believe them, because they are politicians and it's election season.

I'm guessing I'm older than you, and therefore have had more time to become jaded.

 

[Alisa]

I COMPLETELY understand what they are saying. I'm really not as dumb as you give me credit for. I just don't believe them, because they are politicians and it's election season.

I'm guessing I'm older than you, and therefore have had more time to become jaded.

I don't believe Obama is lying about his tax plan. I do believe that the plan he is presenting may not be the plan that is actually passed because after all, being elected president does NOT allow you to write the legislation you want to write-that is still up to the house of representatives. But I do think that he is being honest about his intentions to help the middle class and his belief that the Bush tax cuts unfairly benefited the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

In comparison, McCain used to have that position on the Bush tax cuts, and apparently has done a 180. His current plan would be even more unfair than the original Bush tax cuts were.

 

[redneckgeek]

But I do think that he is being honest about his intentions to help the middle class and his belief that the Bush tax cuts unfairly benefited the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

Can you elaborate on that statement for me?

I'm smack dab in the middle of the middle class, and my paychecks got BIGGER when the Bush tax cuts were instituted - because my tax bracket went down by 3%.

 

[Alisa]

Can you elaborate on that statement for me?

I'm smack dab in the middle of the middle class, and my paychecks got BIGGER when the Bush tax cuts were instituted - because my tax bracket went down by 3%.

And Obama has said he will extend those tax cuts for the middle class. Not sure what you mean by elaborate . . .

Are you aware of the amount that McCain stands to gain from his own tax plan?

 

[redneckgeek]

...his belief that the Bush tax cuts unfairly benefited the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

That's what I was asking you to elaborate on. I see that posted on a lot of different forums/comment sections. Almost like it's a talking point.
I just don't understand how they were done "at the expense of the middle class".

Actually, I think I know the answer, so I guess it's just a rhetorical question...

 

[Alisa]

That's what I was asking you to elaborate on. I see that posted on a lot of different forums/comment sections. Almost like it's a talking point.
I just don't understand how they were done "at the expense of the middle class".

Actually, I think I know the answer, so I guess it's just a rhetorical question...

Well most of the time when people say that, they are quoting John McCain:

I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle-class Americans.

There’s one big difference between me and the others–I won’t take every last dime of the surplus and spend it on tax cuts that mostly benefit the wealthy.

I am disappointed that the Senate Finance Committee preferred instead to cut the top tax rate of 39.6% to 36%, thereby granting generous tax relief to the wealthiest individuals of our country at the expense of lower- and middle-income American taxpayers.

But when you look at the percentage of the tax cuts that–as the previous tax cuts–that go to the wealthiest Americans, you will find that the bulk of it, again, goes to wealthiest Americans.

Maybe some McCain supporters can explain these statements.

 

[redneckgeek]

Are you aware of the amount that McCain stands to gain from his own tax plan?

I've never said I was a big fan of McCain. I'm voting Libertarian.
The choice of Palin almost won me over. My vote won't matter though,
because my state will go strongly for Obama.

Ironically, my state has been run by democrats for decades, and we lead the nation in unemployment. We also have the most poverty stricken/crime ridden city in the country. Looks like people are convinced that the dems have done such a good job in Michigan that it's time to try it on a national level.

 

[Alisa]

I am no economist, but here is one opinion that explains that general idea pretty well:
http://www.bloomberg.ru/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a.f5U.rij7vM&refer=home

 

[Alisa]

I've never said I was a big fan of McCain. I'm voting Libertarian.
The choice of Palin almost won me over. My vote won't matter though,
because my state will go strongly for Obama.

Ironically, my state has been run by democrats for decades, and we lead the nation in unemployment. We also have the most poverty stricken/crime ridden city in the country. Looks like people are convinced that the dems have done such a good job in Michigan that it's time to try it on a national level.

Ironically, my country has been run by republicans for the last 8 years, and we lead the world in unecessary wars. We also have the most fantastic deficit in the world. Looks like people are convinced that the repubs have done such a horrible job in American that its time to try something new.

 

[redneckgeek]

Ironically, my country has been run by republicans for the last 8 years, and we lead the world in unecessary wars. We also have the most fantastic deficit in the world. Looks like people are convinced that the repubs have done such a horrible job in American that its time to try something new.

So higher unemployment, poverty, and crime are okay with you - as long as we're not in an unnecessary war. Nice.

 

[Alisa]

So higher unemployment, poverty, and crime are okay with you - as long as we're not in an unnecessary war. Nice.

So killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in other countries is ok with you as long as your paycheck gets bigger. Nice.

 

[redneckgeek]

Alisa,

This has turned into a bash each other thread. I don't like to sink to that level. I apologize.

 

[Alisa]

Alisa,

This has turned into a bash each other thread. I don't like to sink to that level. I apologize.

I was expecting you to respond to my elaboration of the tax thing, but it seems that you got a little distracted

 

[redneckgeek]

I was expecting you to respond to my elaboration of the tax thing, but it seems that you got a little distracted

I missed it. I guess my question still stands, though. I'll email the McCain campaign and ask him the same thing.

 

[Alisa]

I missed it. I guess my question still stands, though. I'll email the McCain campaign and ask him the same thing.

Did you read the article I posted a link to? There were some pretty interesting numbers in there . . .

 

[dkinley]

The facts are out there, it is really not that hard to understand. He will not raise taxes for any single person making under 250k because he will extend the Bush tax cuts up to and including that tax bracket. He will cut taxes for families earning under 200k. http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/

Blow the smoke and avoid the questions of Obama and Biden changing their tune to whatever it can get them. I am fine with that - just don't expect them or the Dem's to maintain consistency when your taxes do go up when they drop that number even lower after they have performed the great bait and switch.

On economic policies, I still think Obama and the Dems have it WRONG on their plans for us. Less government is needed. I quote:

"The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes," Cole said. "Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened.""

Source: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx


Protecting their workers!? Are you kidding me?

One of the actions of Obama and Pelosi's ilk is to pass a bill that would:
"... it would deprive workers of a secret ballot in deciding whether or not to form a union."

Source: http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20118328&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

So now the union bosses know who didn't vote so they could pay them a little visit so they may extract dues from them? I think instead of calling the bill the "Employee Free Choice Act" they should call it the "Strongarmed Employees Doing As Threatened Act".

That's no protection. That's a sampling of some KGB action we are all going to get by the time it's all said and done.

Quit kidding yourself - big government only leads to Big Brother. When you decide to let the government take care of you, then you have traded a freedom. This one being your right for free choice. Say goodbye to your liberties.

-dK

 

[ASherbuck]

I liked the Ben Franklin at the end DK, that's actually one of my favorite quotes and I paraphrase it a lot.

I also like Jefferson, one that is quite relevant to current times:
Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.

 

[georgedwilkinson]

Not really an Obama bash (unfortunately) but I'm just wondering what's in that video tape that the LA Times is hiding. Word is they did a story some months ago about the contents of the tape that had something to do with Obama toasting Rashid Khalidi and dissing Israel. Some months ago when the LA Times wrote the story, Obama responded briefly in a speech saying that Khalidi was not an advisor of his.

 

[Alisa]

Not really an Obama bash (unfortunately) but I'm just wondering what's in that video tape that the LA Times is hiding. Word is they did a story some months ago about the contents of the tape that had something to do with Obama toasting Rashid Khalidi and dissing Israel. Some months ago when the LA Times wrote the story, Obama responded briefly in a speech saying that Khalidi was not an advisor of his.

Yeah, and what about that car crash in 1964 where John McCain supposedly killed somebody? I just feel like I know so little about these candidates, I just wish we had more information