I need to hide the nav counter because it just looks better visually. Тhere is no other reason.I don't know what else is wrong, but there are other issues such as if you step through the code the record count control does get updated (but it has weird text that it gets from the code) but if you let it run it fails and locks the buttons regardless of the record count. I don't have time to spend on that at the moment, and if OP is to start over as MajP suggests, it would be pointless anyway. Seems kind of strange to me to set the form caption to what's in the nav counter.