Death Of A President

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Has anyone else in the UK just watched Death Of A President?

It was a rather well made mockumentary, the blend of archive footage mixed with acted scenes worked well. It felt, perhaps, a little slow but all in all it told a valid enough chain of events after the assassination of George W. Bush in 2007. The manipulation of the crime by Dick Cheney to pursue his own anti-Syria agenda seemed plausible. The real food for thought, however, came from the mock interviews, where they offered insight into such tactics as media manipulation, dropping mention of al-Qaeda whenever you want to insinuate someone is the bad guy, and showed an interesting depiction of political prisoners in the US.
 
I saw it.

It was interesting that Bush was getting his knickers in a twist over North Korea (being they tested a nuclear bomb yesterday) - very timely I thought. In the speech, Bush was on about bombing Korea etc - the usual USA subtle approach.:rolleyes: The killing happened in Chicago - quite fitting really as its the home of US gangsters and the like.

The killing scene was very well done and very believable. As was the over-reaction of the US secret service.:rolleyes: They (the FBI) had 300 suspects detained within 4 hours of the shooting. Then of course they started looking in more detail and found a "foreigner" who they were able to match the evidence to. In other words they did the usual US thing and got a suspect and framed him and found him guilty. As Stu says, one mention of al-Queda and they go into panic mode and the FBI made sure the jury went into the trial with only one possible result. . . . guilty.

It was obvious that he didn't do it, but the US FBI were blinkered to everything else.
The chap who actually did do it, killed himself and there was plenty of evidence that he did it, obviously ignored / covered up by the FBI. The innocent chap was given no rights to appeal, and the real killer was "hushed up".
I got the impression, the FBI felt it was better to have an innocent "foreigner" locked up wrongly, rather than have a guilty American, so that the populace would continue to think all Asian foreigners are bad. Which fits nicely into the current US thinking, like Guantanamo etc.

The reason he (the American) did it was because his son was killed in Iraq (or "eye-rack" as the Americans on the show called it) so he was totally distraught about losing his son and saw Bush as the "killer" of his son and wanted revenge.

They also showed dramatic real footage of innocent people dying and being killed in "eye-rack" - very disturbing.

Dick Cheney taking over was a laugh, given that he is prone to shooting his friends for sport, the first thing he did was over-react and send the USS Nimitz down to "sabre rattle" off the Syria coast. I was thinking who was worse - Dick Cheney or Dan Quail but couldn't decide.

I doubt it'll be shown on US TV - its too near the truth, like Fahrenheit 9/11

I've just read on Stu's link that Hilary Clinton says "I think it's despicable", ""I think it's absolutely outrageous. That anyone would even attempt to profit on such a horrible scenario makes me sick." Hilary babe, take off the rose coloured glasses and see what the US is really doing to the world:rolleyes:

Col
 
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ColinEssex said:
I got the impression, the FBI felt it was better to have an innocent "foreigner" locked up wrongly, rather than have a guilty American, so that the populace would continue to think all Asian foreigners are bad.
By making the assassin an American, it followed the pattern of history in that foreigners don't kill US Presidents, Americans do:

  • Abraham Lincoln (killed by John Wilkes Booth)
  • James Garfield (killed by Charles Julious Guiteau)
  • William McKinley (killed by Leon Frank Czołgosz)
  • John F. Kennedy (killed by Lee Harvey Oswald)

Must be a thing about guys with triple word names.
 
SJ McAbney said:
By making the assassin an American, it followed the pattern of history in that foreigners don't kill US Presidents, Americans do:

  • Abraham Lincoln (killed by John Wilkes Booth)
  • James Garfield (killed by Charles Julious Guiteau)
  • William McKinley (killed by Leon Frank Czołgosz)
  • John F. Kennedy (killed by Lee Harvey Oswald)
worse than any of that, don't forget it was an American who killed our John Lennon:mad:

Col
 
ColinEssex said:
worse than any of that, don't forget it was an American who killed our John Lennon:mad:

Col
Cetainly wouldn't want to put up any American to a Brit.
 
SJ McAbney said:
Has anyone else in the UK just watched
Death Of A President?

Although I'm not in the UK ;) , I did not watch that movie. From what I read, it's not that spectecular as the title make believe. Is there also a book version.
This reminds me of the "all the presidents men" (1976) movie, which was an excellent film.

colinessex said:
... our John Lennon

Which part was yours Col :p
 
I thought you were refering to his '58 Rickenbacker 325 :rolleyes:
 
ColinEssex said:
IHilary Clinton says "I think it's despicable", ""I think it's absolutely outrageous. That anyone would even attempt to profit on such a horrible scenario makes me sick." Col
Hasn't anyone told her that Hollywood's having a ball on the back `of 9/11?:rolleyes:
 
ColinEssex said:
worse than any of that, don't forget it was an American who killed our John Lennon:mad:

Col
Which he apparently did so he could be famous. Anyone remember his name? No? :rolleyes:
 
Mark Chapman

And I only know that becuase its in the news at the moment. He's had his parole denied or something.
 
nikkypickles said:
Mark Chapman

And I only know that becuase its in the news at the moment. He's had his parole denied or something.

It is also the name of a news reader on Radio 1. I remember him joking when Ringo star was comming in for an interview that it was prob not a good idea for someone called "Mark Chapman" and a ex Beetle to be in the same room...
 
Rich said:
And the Yanks didn't think Lennon important enough to fry Chapman :confused: :rolleyes:
Does New York have the death penalty??
 
msp said:
Does New York have the death penalty??
from 1978 - 1994 The death penalty legislation routinely passed the legislature, but was vetoed by Governors Hugh Carey and Mario Cuomo. The Death penalty was reinstated in 1995 but repealed again in 2004.
 
Rich said:
Where does the word UNITED come from then?:confused:
www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/index.html


You just can’t comprehend this concept of separation of power.

I had thought to comment on this earlier, but refrained; seeing how it is impossible for you embrace any new thoughts.

Maybe you should read our constitution instead of just calling it a scrap of paper.

The laws written into effect by that scrap of paper provided the framework for the most powerful nation in the world. Maybe you would gain from studying it.

But probably not.
 
Rich said:
Where does the word UNITED come from then?:confused:
easy, there, Killer.:rolleyes:

The Death Penalty is determined on a state by state basis due to the difference in opinion and public sentiment over such a broad socio-political landscape. The total landmass of the UK is not quite as large as the state of Oregon...we have a little more ground to cover.
 
Bodisathva said:
from 1978 - 1994 The death penalty legislation routinely passed the legislature, but was vetoed by Governors Hugh Carey and Mario Cuomo. The Death penalty was reinstated in 1995 but repealed again in 2004.

Thanks for the detailed info, it explains why Mark Chapman ws not given the death Sentence.
 

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