Death Of A President

nikkypickles said:
And maybe the North/South divide is a minor issue - but it's still felt very strongly here.
The same could be said for the West too Nicky, however despite differences in culture, religion etc we are all governed on major issues by the elected government, the US isn't;)
 
Rich said:
All of the above and we've posted statistics to prove the point on numerous occasions
Yes, we're all aware that absolutely everything you say is backed up by statstics you've posted on numerous occassions that somehow no one ever notices. I asked for clarification so I could know exactly what you were basing your claim on, because by some of the criteria mentioned you are correct but on others you are obviously wrong.

For example, the UK has a higher percentage of Muslims, Hindis and other non-Christians in the population. It's hard to gauge what meaningful impact this sort of diversity has on UK culture, though, since only about 7% of the UK's citizenry regularly engages in some form of worship as opposed to 41% in the US. So it's true that the UK's population is more religiously diverse but since only a tiny slice of the population actually pays any attention to religion in the first place, one could argue the religious diversity in the US actually has a much larger social and cultural impact. Nevertheless, the raw numbers of diversity are higher in the UK.

On the subject of race/ethnicity, however, the UK looks like a KKK meeting compared to the US:

Wikipedia said:
As of 2001, 7.9% of the UK's population identified themselves as an 'ethnic minority' [...] Along with this, there is a large number of Indians, mainly from northern India, which make up about 2.0% of the population.
Wikipedia said:
In the 2000 census, the country had 31 ethnic groups with at least one million members each, with numerous others represented in smaller amounts. By the federal government's categorization of race, most Americans (80.4% in 2004) are white. These white Americans are mostly European Americans—the descendants of European immigrants to the United States—along with some non-Europeans counted as white in government nomenclature (those with origins in the original peoples of the Middle East and North Africa). To the exclusion of Hispanic-origin European Americans, non-Hispanic whites constituted 67.4% of the population. The non-Hispanic white population is proportionally declining, because of both immigration by, and a higher birth rate among, ethnic and racial minorities. The largest ethnic group of European ancestry is German at 15.2%, followed by Irish (10.8%), English (8.7%), Italian (5.6%) and Scandinavian (3.7%). Many immigrants also hail from Slavic countries, such as Poland and Russia, as well as from French Canada.[83] African Americans, or Blacks, largely descend from Africans who arrived as slaves during the 17th through 19th centuries, and number about 35 million or 12.9% of the population.
 
since only about 7% of the UK's citizenry regularly engages in some form of worship as opposed to 41% in the US.
That's because we worship reality and not fantasy

On the subject of race/ethnicity, however, the UK looks like a KKK meeting compared to the US:
You're talking numbers within specific groups and not the number of different groups. The sheer size of the US distorts any true comparison
 
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Rich said:
You're talking numbers within specific groups and not the number of different groups.
The number of different groups is certainly relevant to the concept of diversity but so is the size of those groups. A hypothetical example:

Country A:
Group 1: 91% of pop.
Group 2: 1% of pop.
Group 3: 1% of pop.
Group 4: 1% of pop.
Group 5: 1% of pop.
Group 6: 1% of pop.
Group 7: 1% of pop.
Group 8: 1% of pop.
Group 9: 1% of pop.
Group 10: 1% of pop.

Country B:
Group 1: 50% of pop.
Group 2: 20% of pop.
Group 3: 12% of pop.
Group 4: 10% of pop.
Group 5: 4.5% of pop.
Group 6: 2% of pop.
Group 7: 1.5% of pop.

Country A has a larger number of distinct groups represented so you could say it is more diverse. Country B, however, has a much higher impact on the whole population from each group other than Group 1, so you could say Country B is more diverse.

I have shown the US has a more even distribution of percentages than the UK. I do not have the precise number of groups for either country available but frankly I would be surprised if it is higher in the UK since I can't think of any particular group who has immigrated to the UK but not the US.

Rich said:
The sheer size of the US distorts any true comparison
Umm... if you can't make a true comparisson between the UK and the US then what did you base your claim on?
 
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Kraj said:
since I don't imagine any particular group who would immigrate to the UK but not the US.
I think you'll find that there are a larger percentage of those from the Indian continent here than in the States




Umm... if you can't make a true comparisson between the UK and the US then what did you base your claim on?
The actual number of groups and not the total number of people from different groups and I'm not including Europeans which I suspect you are;)
 
Rich said:
The actual number of groups and not the total number of people from different groups and I'm not including Europeans which I suspect you are;)

I don't think so because people of European ancestry are considered "white" (unless, of course, they aren't white :rolleyes: ). There was a breakdown within the percentage of the white population as to European origin but they are all still considered part of the 67.4 percent of the non-hispanic whites. ;)
 
MrsGorilla said:
I don't think so because people of European ancestry are considered "white" (unless, of course, they aren't white :rolleyes: ). There was a breakdown within the percentage of the white population as to European origin but they are all still considered part of the 67.4 percent of the non-hispanic whites. ;)
Ah yes your figures are distorted by the huge influx of Mexicans;) :D
again though, that only counts as one group
 
Rich said:
Ah yes your figures are distorted by the huge influx of Mexicans;) :D
again though, that only counts as one group

That's true, but we still have immigrants from all over. Mexicans and people from other hispanic countries probably make up the largest number right now, but even they have different cultures and traditions based on their different geographic areas. ;)
 
Rich said:
I think you'll find that there are a larger percentage of those from the Indian continent here than in the States
OK, so which is it? Are you going by size of the groups or the number of groups? You don't get to pick and choose which criteria you use for each group.

Rich said:
The actual number of groups and not the total number of people from different groups and I'm not including Europeans which I suspect you are;)
Actually I'm not, they're counted as "white". Unfortunately, once you drop below a certain percentage of the population you tend to become part of "other". So determining the precise number of ethnic groups is impossible unless you have access to a comprehensive list for both countries and I couldn't find either. Do you have them?
 
Rich said:
Ah yes your figures are distorted by the huge influx of Mexicans;) :D
again though, that only counts as one group


I bet the Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Columbians, Peruvians, Costa Ricans, Ecuadorians, Panamanians, Cubans, and many others too numerous to remember would beg to disagree with you.
 
Kraj said:
OK, so which is it? Are you going by size of the groups or the number of groups? You don't get to pick and choose which criteria you use for each group.
Number of groups, you know we couldn't win by size, but then it's not always size that matters, is it?


I couldn't find either. Do you have them?
No, only those spun by the government:eek:
 
jsanders said:
I bet the Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Columbians, Peruvians, Costa Ricans, Ecuadorians, Panamanians, Cubans, and many others too numerous to remember would beg to disagree with you.
We have them here too, now, what's your point?
 
MrsGorilla said:
That's true, but we still have immigrants from all over. Mexicans and people from other hispanic countries probably make up the largest number right now, but even they have different cultures and traditions based on their different geographic areas. ;)
Yes but I suspect we could break the Indian population here down into separate religions etc., not sure if anyone in statistics does though:confused:
 
Rich said:
No, only those spun by the government:eek:
So what statistics do you have that you've used to compare the number of ethnic groups in the UK versus the US?
 
Kraj said:
So what statistics do you have that you've used to compare the number of ethnic groups in the UK versus the US?


The thing is, if 3 people and their dog move to the UK it changes the stats.

Obviously there is no way to make any kind of comparison.

Before any immigration from a particular group would make a statistical dent in the US population it would constitute a key minority in the UK.
 
Brief synopsis

Table 1 Residents born inside and outside the UK by ethnic group
Ethnic group % born in UK % born outside UK
White 87.2 12.8
Black Caribbean 53.2 46.8
Black African 35.7 64.3
Black Other 84.1 15.9
Indian 36.4 63.6
Pakistani 45.1 54.9
Bangladeshi 35.0 65.0
Chinese 25.5 74.4
Other Asian 20.7 79.3
Other 53.3 46.7
All ethnic groups 78.3 21.7
 
Rich said:
Brief synopsis

Table 1 Residents born inside and outside the UK by ethnic group
Ethnic group % born in UK % born outside UK
White 87.2 12.8
Black Caribbean 53.2 46.8
Black African 35.7 64.3
Black Other 84.1 15.9
Indian 36.4 63.6
Pakistani 45.1 54.9
Bangladeshi 35.0 65.0
Chinese 25.5 74.4
Other Asian 20.7 79.3
Other 53.3 46.7
All ethnic groups 78.3 21.7

So? the list for the US would be 10 times that long.

You should try to defend something else, you're losing this one hands down.
 
Bodisathva said:
not really...some of us know how to use the ignore list:cool:
Yes, like Bush ignored the warning from Europe that a terrorist attack on the US was imminent, are you going to bury your head in the sand too? :rolleyes:
 
jsanders said:
So? the list for the US would be 10 times that long.

You should try to defend something else, you're losing this one hands down.
Josey wake up, we've already concluded that it's the number of different groups and not the total numbers that we're discussing, try and stay with us:rolleyes:
 

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