Democrats: Break America to Re-Make America

[Steve R.]

Gutfeld: This is why we're losing to China | Fox News Video

'Gutfeld!' panel discusses why China is thrilled that America has gone woke

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Angle – 13 reasons why | Fox News Video

How Biden and the Democrats are dismantling America

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[conception_native_0123]

thanks for the 13 reasons steve. but I see this as just another back and forth like has gone on now for 50 years.

 

[Steve R.]

thanks for the 13 reasons steve. but I see this as just another back and forth like has gone on now for 50 years.

Quite true. I have the - feeling this time - that it is getting close to a boiling point by the number of articles from conservative news sources. The Democrats are going for the jugular. Take not prisoners.
The Gutfeld video provides some very humorous observations. In that video he observes that our education system is mired in Critical Race Theory (CRT) rather than actually teaching a skill. One of those CRT concepts is that math is racist. China on-the-other-hand is teaching math. Chinese students, when they come to the US, appear to be at the top of the class in many of our colleges.

A couple of side notes, concerning the Democratic sponsored race to the bottom the: Justice Department drops admissions discrimination suit against Yale University. "But Swan Lee, a co-founder of the group behind the complaint, called it "a racist decision because it preserves discrimination in education. It's a setback in our fight against racial discrimination against Asian Americans in education.""

In scrapping professor’s lecture, MIT gives us a good look at the ills of cancel culture. "And what are the professor’s offenses? He has stated that university evaluations of students should be based on academic merit, not on membership in an underrepresented identity group. He doesn’t oppose increased diversity; he opposes some of the methods used to try to achieve it." (emphasis added).

The two examples above point to the increasing incremental erosion of making student admissions/evaluations based on academic merit. Instead they are increasingly based on identity (racial) politics.

 

[conception_native_0123]

The Democrats are going for the jugular. Take not prisoners.

that very well may be true. I'm sure they are sick to death of getting beaten by the conservatives.

One of those CRT concepts is that math is racist

how outrageous. that is just stupid.

China on-the-other-hand is teaching math. Chinese students, when they come to the US, appear to be at the top of the class in many of our colleges.

that is not a surprise to me steve. is it still true that chinese students go to school year round?

The two examples above point to the increasing incremental erosion of making student admissions/evaluations based on academic merit. Instead they are increasingly based on identity (racial) politics.

Affirmative action: Do white American students really get a bad deal?

Do white American students lose out to minority students? Here are two opposing views.

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[Steve R.]

I'm sure they are sick to death of getting beaten by the conservatives.

Sarcasm?????

that is not a surprise to me steve.

It has been a well known fact, that I have been well aware of, that Asian students outperform. What is surprising to me, is that the educational establishment does not ask why the Asian students do better and then try to emulate how the Asian students do better. Instead, our education system is relaxing standards thereby dumbing-down the educational system.

Affirmative action: Do white American students really get a bad deal?

Do white American students lose out to minority students? Here are two opposing views.

www.bbc.com

The simple response is that Affirmative Action, is not fair. Nevertheless, it was an appropriate though unpleasant step at the time and was not too onerous. Affirmative Action was implemented 60 years ago. At the time it was implemented, Martin Luther King came-out with his "I have a Dream Speech". In that speech King proclaimed: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Theoretically, that was the eventual goal of Affirmative Action. Society, over the past 60 years, has evolved so to that many of the goals of Affirmative Action have been achieved. Unfortunately, with the election of Biden Affirmative Action as a noble goal has been "executed", it has been maliciously subverted by "equity", where race will be used to make decisions. There will be no pretense to "fairness". In fact, in the best tradition of Orwellian Newspeak, there are proposals to reinstate segregation, one of the very activities Affirmative Actions sought to end. To make matter worse, consultants are inundating colleges and business with the theme that the White person is bad and that minorities are oppressed. Very divisive. Affirmative Action never advocated the vile goals of "equity". King's dream has died.

 

[conception_native_0123]

Sarcasm?????

no. republicans always win. in the long run they do. capitalism still exists, therefore they have won. socialism is still a ways off so they're still ahead of the game.

What is surprising to me, is that the educational establishment does not ask why the Asian students do better and then try to emulate how the Asian students do better

a consequence of white supremacy thinking? "don't worry it'll all workout"?

Instead, our education system is relaxing standards thereby dumbing-down the educational system.

EVERYTHING has to be dumbed down in order for it to work. let us not forget that society is stupid. Just ask richard, @The_Doc_Man . He reiterates it all the time.

To make matter worse, consultants are inundating colleges and business with the theme that the White person is bad and that minorities are oppressed. Very divisive. Affirmative Action never advocated the vile goals of "equity". King's dream has died.

have you ever given a thought to the fact that whites far underperform in the tech world compared to foreigners? that may be for a variety of reasons. I have observed this ever since technology has become a huge marketing point for the labor market. here are some of the things I believe have happened:

• technology has been dumbed down as machine learning has increased, thus making technology work increasingly boring. whites don't wanna do it, but the foreigners will gladly take it. just look at increasing contract work. there's 2 sides to the fence with that. 1) paying someone contract wages is extremely economical in terms of cost savings. 2) THE employer can screw the worker out of fulltime work and the obligation to incur costs associated with that.
• considering the point above => why do you think that so many job postings are for "full stack engineers"? it doesn't take much talent to click buttons, does it?
• whites are far ahead of many foreigners in terms of what they have been through, regarding economic progress. thus, americans might get bored with work that foreigners think is fun.
• cultural training. I mentioned that chinese students go to school year round. our kids don't.

 

[Steve R.]

no. republicans always win. in the long run they do. capitalism still exists, therefore they have won. socialism is still a ways off so they're still ahead of the game.

If Republicans always win, the progressive trend initiated by Roosevelt would have been undone by now. The Affordable Care Act would have been found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and the Republicans, when they had the chance, would have repealed the Affordable Car Act. Finally, Trump would have won the election because the Democrats would not have been able to change the voting laws in several states to benefit them. (Also, don't forget that the media also tilted the election inf favor of Biden by villifying Trump and suppressing any news that would have hurt Biden.)

EVERYTHING has to be dumbed down in order for it to work. let us not forget that society is stupid. Just ask richard, @The_Doc_Man . He reiterates it all the time.

Society is both gullible and stupid, that is why the Democrats are winning. People is drooling over all the free bright shiny objects the Democrats are tossing-out to them to "buy" votes. Bread and circuses. The US needs to return to meritocracy and reward those who can achieve. Restore, entrance exams and standardized tests for entering college. If a student does not perform, to bad; they get dismissed.

have you ever given a thought to the fact that whites far underperform in the tech world compared to foreigners?

That does not address my point: "To make matter worse, consultants are inundating colleges and business with the theme that the White person is bad and that minorities are oppressed." The consultants are indoctrinating colleges and business with the concept that the US is an "evil" nation to be torn apart. Hence the title of this thread: "Democrats: Break America to Re-Make America". Those who don't knuckle down to the Democratic party's autocratic mantra are "cancelled". A rebirth of what happened in the USSR while it was still around. I'll toss in, as a freebee, that this is also a re-birth of McCarthyism, this time from the left. I'll re-post, below, this as one example.

In scrapping professor’s lecture, MIT gives us a good look at the ills of cancel culture. "And what are the professor’s offenses? He has stated that university evaluations of students should be based on academic merit, not on membership in an underrepresented identity group. He doesn’t oppose increased diversity; he opposes some of the methods used to try to achieve it." (emphasis added).

 

[conception_native_0123]

If Republicans always win, the progressive trend initiated by Roosevelt would have been undone by now.

you're heading to a time a little before my time chief. but what I was addressing was your constant complaining about socialism. the republicans are still holding on because the USA has not fallen down the rabbit hole yet. understand?

Restore, entrance exams and standardized tests for entering college. If a student does not perform, to bad; they get dismissed.

isn't that what the ACT and SAT tests are for? or do you think it's ALL about politics and the tests don't matter?

That does not address my point:

yes it does. I made it a point to talk about the performances of whites and foreigners to show you that it is completely connected to what you're complaining about. that whites are bad and people are trying to tear them down. perhaps they are not trying to tear down the whites, but rather save their own assess by inviting others to participate more in the system since they seem to me more inclined to be able to LEARN and DO. let us not forget steve, that the more people who LEARN and DO, the less politicians get shot in the head.

but given everything I've just said, it still doesn't change the fact that foreigners ARE, in general, VERY gullible with regard to the fact that a white leader can tell them anything and they'll believe it. America's bullshit is the best, hands down. everybody learns from our shit. but now that we've sort of lost the education race to other nations, nobody is believing our shit anymore! either that, or they are less likely to be fooled by it.

but, there ARE still people who can be fooled. I've got a friend in Argentina who is a react developer and he believes I've got all the skill in the world even though I really have none. that goes to show you right there that people can say anything or show him anything and he'll believe it because he's hungry to live like a white american. he hasn't realized the other side yet.

 

[Isaac]

I don't think it's the same as the endless back and forth. Ways of seeing the world are evolving at a much more drastic pace than I think was envisioned, even a decade ago. In the space of just a few years we now have a large chunk of America that is starting to really believe there are 100 genders, the system is still totally racist (even though everyone has the exact same application process for College, School, Exams and Mortgages, in fact affirmative action has tipped that and you know how), even though any person of any race in the USA can follow the exact same pattern of personal choices and achieve the exact same result, even though racist laws have been eliminated and violence against the innocent is not tolerated - ESPECIALLY not under the color of racism, think hate crime laws........and that the most urgent threat facing our military is not being "inclusive". That "inclusion" means excluding Christians, that "kindness" means "approval", and that disapproval means phobia. As Dave Chappelle said so eloquently, in this country, "you can kill a man in walmart and it does nothing bad to your career, but you better not hurt a gay man's feelings".
Wow, that's powerful argument. For all the liberal whining about Chappelle, not a single person has answered that indictment.
(I'm not picking on them - it was just the first of many examples that came to mind of how "out of whack" we have become).
That students at Oberlin university, a place that costs $80,000/yr to attend, who live in a LGBTQ "safe" space, wrote an op-ed in the student newspaper about being "angry, scared and confused" when realizing a straight man had come to fix their radiator last weekend. And many people thought they were perfectly in the right.

Up is down, down is up, right is wrong, wrong is right. Nothing that you see is real, everything you don't see is, and don't believe your eyes.

I've accumulated a fair share of knowledge about delusionary beliefs and the various personality disorders associated with them.
Never imagined that 30% of the nation would exhibit them, but I think we're getting pretty close. Not impossible, as a third of the nation now officially has anxiety or depression "disorder".

We used to watch smuggled videos of people in North Korea. Starving, their uncle dragged out to a prison camp and tortured because of a joke, with zero freedom and virtually nothing to eat...........Standing there enthusiastically in a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, literally weeping in the streets when the Dear Leader is ill.

But are we very far from that? I no longer think we have the mental upper hand quite like we used to when it comes to grasping reality.

I used to think it was more of a sickness. What I now think is the sickness is limited to very few, like most psychological disorders. The more serious turn of events is the delusions suffered by everyone else, where they literally no longer can tell reality from fantasy, and their enablers surround them.

 

[conception_native_0123]

As Dave Chappelle said so eloquently, in this country, "you can kill a man in walmart and it does nothing bad to your career, but you better not hurt a gay man's feelings".

aint THAT the truth! LOL. and he got press for that comment too.

In the space of just a few years we now have a large chunk of America that is starting to really believe there are 100 genders,

really!?? can you perhaps list them all? I would LOVE to see that.

 

[Pat Hartman]

about the performances of whites and foreigners

So, ALL Americans are white? The other 40% of the population don't work in technical fields? Any non-racist might take exception to your statement.

The H1b visa program is violated constantly, not because foreign workers are somehow "better", it is because foreign workers are cheaper. It is all about the bottom line. The H1b visa law specifically prohibits discriminating against citizens and permanent residents in favor of cheap foreign labor. In fact, there was a tiny $14.25 million (in the greater scheme of things) settlement against FaceBook for discriminating against American workers.

Facebook settles claims it discriminated against U.S. workers for jobs (cnbc.com)

I can verify from first hand experience that this has been going on as long as that program has been in place. For many years, I was a project manager for a NY consulting firm and it was their policy to not hire Americans if they could get away with it. On a different level at least three major Connecticut companies completely replaced their IT departments with foreign workers. What they did violated the spirit of the law but not the letter of it. They laid off all their US workers and instead hired a consulting firm that used Indian labor at about 40% of the cost of the American labor. Disneyland in Florida did the same thing but on a smaller scale and many other well known companies have also replaced American workers en masse by using the "hire the firm, not the programmer" loophole.

Another personal anecdote. A few years ago I took a contract with a small startup company. There were about 50 people in the office and at least 30% were foreigners. They circled the globe, Brazil, China, India, Egypt, Ukraine, and Pakistan come to mind. I was out to lunch one day with the owner and I asked him about the makeup of the staff and his answer -- They're cheaper.

So, I'm not sure why you think Americans are so inferior to foreign workers. American workers are simply not being hired at the rate they should be because they expect American wages. They're not willing to live 8 to a 2 bedroom apartment and send their money home to support their families.

By the same token, I was a foreign worker in Kuwait. The difference was, they didn't hire me because I was cheaper. They hired me because they really couldn't get my expertise locally which is how the H1b visa program is supposed to work.

 

[conception_native_0123]

So, ALL Americans are white? The other 40% of the population don't work in technical fields? Any non-racist might take exception to your statement.

I just found out a lot about you Pat. anyone who says something like that obviously has a narrow mind. No offense. You should know better, given your professionalism and age.

 

[Pat Hartman]

I just found out a lot about you Pat.

I don't think so. Were you not assuming that all Americans are white? You did say it several times before i reacted to it.

Think about it this way, if you can't substitute "black" for one of the words without being called a racist, then you might consider rephrasing. I'm not calling you a racist but your statement is racist.

Too bad you didn't read the rest of the post. You might actually have learned something from that about why there are so many foreigners in high tech fields which seemed to be your question. It is NOT because the foreigners are in any way better. They are only cheaper. The best programmer I've ever worked with was Indian but the others ran the gamut from good to bad, just like my other coworkers and subordinates regardless of their skin color or country of origin or sexual orientation or whatever other progressive box they checked.

 

[conception_native_0123]

Were you not assuming that all Americans are white?

OK, I'll answer the question. NO. I was assuming that people around here were smart enough to know what I meant. but I guess I was wrong? or rather, maybe I just took a break from the BS political correctness that plagues John's forum when talking about non-access issues? take it in jest.

 

[Pat Hartman]

I am smart enough to know what you meant or I would have flagged the post for inappropriate language. I am far from politically correct and I am not easily offended. I only commented due to your persistence in comparing white people to foreigners. I was trying to be funny but that fell flat so I apologize. If you were on FB and persisted in comparing blacks to foreigners, you would be cancelled in a heartbeat.

You probably never noticed but new people almost always assume I am male. Why? Women can't possibly be technically competent. Do I get offended and correct them, never. Sometimes others do but I never do. It is what it is.

And we're still talking about white vs foreigners and you still haven't read the rest of my post.

 

[Isaac]

really!?? can you perhaps list them all? I would LOVE to see that.

Well, experts predict even more:

Experts Predict LGBTQ Acronym Could Circle The Earth 3 Times By 2022

U.S.—Researchers working at Portland University's prestigious School for Inclusion and Justice for 2SLGBTQQIA++ Persons estimate that the acronym for the LGBTQ+ community could wrap around the earth three times by the year 2022.

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[Isaac]

You probably never noticed but new people almost always assume I am male. Why? Women can't possibly be technically competent

Ok now, I know you don't really think that is the reason.

 

[Steve R.]

Hate America, Inc.​

This is the chapter heading in Mark Levin's new book "American Marxism". I recently started reading and I just arrived at that chapter. It fits into the theme of this thread. Below are some unconnected excerpts from Levin's book.

"They [progressive intellectuals] made clear their hostility toward capitalism and the constitutional-republican system that established barriers against tyrannies of various kinds, including that which is born from the mob or centralized autocracy ..."

"They understood that the citizenry generally was not amenable to their alien objectives. Thus they undertook a long campaign to educate, or better stated, reeducate and indoctrinate future armies of radical and revolutionaries, such as students and student advocates through government schools and institutions of higher learning."

Levin notes that the progressive intellectuals (paraphrased) "promoted the unraveling of the existing society by weaponizing the culture against itself". "... that is, the assault on American history, institutions, and traditions ...". At this point, Levin introduces Felicity Barringer and the New York Times 1619 Project. The purpose of this "project" is the deconstruction American history. Unclear in Levin's narrative if this was also represented the "birth" of Critical Race Theory. Nevertheless, the promotion of Critical Race Theory has metastasized nationwide to infect the media, the educational system, and (as noted below) various school boards and the National School Boards Association (NSBA).

Hate America, Inc. is "in your face". Biden, when he assumed the Presidency issued several executive orders establishing a "war" on imaginary "White supremacy" and the imposition of federal government race based "equity" programs (which negates equal opportunity). So called diversity training (anti-white indoctruntaion) is even being provided by Attorney General Merrick Garland’s son-in-law through Panorama Education. A quick internet search exposed a partial list of companies imposing diversity training. From that list, it can be seen that Hate America, Inc. is quite pervasive.
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National School Boards Association sorry for 'language' in letter that likened parents to domestic terrorists

The National School Boards Association issued an apology for a letter sent to the Biden administration which targeted parents who are concerned over their child's school curriculum and seemingly related their actions to that of domestic terrorists.

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The National School Boards Association (NSBA) appears to have plagiarized Russia Hoax. I guess they considered that to be a winning strategy. In this case the the private entity, NSBA association coordinated (conspired?) with the US Department of Justice to generate a dubious letter alleging that school board members felt "threatened". Based on this letter's superficial allegations, US Attorney General Merrick Garland instructed the FBI to look into the "threats" against school officials. This smacks of the circular logic used by the media and the Democrats when they promoted the Russia Hoax. Generate a dubious document and then give that shady document to an enforcement agency. With the express purpose of that agency finding those unwarranted "threats" credible for instituting criminal actions. Unlike the Russian Hoax, the unjustified attempt by the NSBA may have been caught in time to "kill" it (at least for now). The NSBA has now publicly issued a meaningless apology.

 

[conception_native_0123]

They're cheaper.

If you were on FB and persisted in comparing blacks to foreigners, you would be cancelled in a heartbeat.

i seriously doubt that. and why? because I don't have a huge facebook presence. no one cares about me over there. I'm too small. no visibility. and like I care anyway. obviously I don't. with regard to foreigners being cheaper, of course they are! and of course they are getting picked over whites! capitalism is, after all, about MONEY, is it not? money is all that matters to organziations. many of them anyway. and especially rich ones. so what's so wrong about that? it's called economics. buy for a little and sell for a lot. hire cheap labor and sell products for a shitload. isn't that the rule of the game? how do you think Steve Jobs was able to buy a yacht before he died!? he exploited all those damn chinese sweatboxes. was it illegal? NOPE! just like Schwarzenegger right? were steroids illegal? NOPE!

 

[Pat Hartman]

Companies can't have it both ways. They want the protection of American for their intellectual property and all that goes along with our legal system. If they don't want to hire American workers, fine. Move your corporate headquarters to China and see how that works out for you.

A country is supposed to look after its citizens first and foremost. The H1b visa law specifically says that an employer must make an effort for find an American to do the job and only if an American is not available should they hire a foreign worker and also they should not pay the worker less then the American. Ours no longer even pretends to do that.

Fair warning - if you continue to make racist remarks, I will censure you. #19 is your last racist comment. You clearly intend them as such or you would not persist.