Gestapo

[Dick7Access]

Does anybody here agree the ultimate goal of the left of defunding of the local police is, Gestapo.

 

[Isaac]

Slowly, over time, after witnessing the left wing systematically one by one destroying everything that has been shown to support wealth, stability, non-criminals, homeownership, etc .....such as the family unit, marriage, fathers, encouraging responsible workers who take responsibility for themselves.....Yeah, kind of. I think their ultimate goal is anarchy, out of which they will of course, offer a solution.

It's their only hope of competing with traditional conservative government, where people are required to take responsibility for their own lives and work - and then they get financially comfortable, (usually), and relatively happy (if they have a loving family).

The left-wing ideologues have nothing to offer that can compete with that, so they hope to destroy it, and only after that point, their arguments will start to seem appealing. (they already seem appealing to those who either don't want to work, or those who have been tricked into somehow feeling guilty for being responsible for their own personal success).

 

[Pat Hartman]

The goal of the left in defunding the police is to destabilize society to the point where it is necessary for the "government" to bring in a nationalized police force. Is that what you mean by Gestapo? They've already taken over a number of big city police forces using consent decrees where the police force needs to reform itself to the specifications set by the "government".

What we should be defunding is the FBI and DOJ. THOSE are the corrupt organizations. The CIA is pretty bad too given the willingness of former employees to sign on to the "letter" testifying that the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation. Has anyone apologized for that yet?????

 

[Dick7Access]

The goal of the left in defunding the police is to destabilize society to the point where it is necessary for the "government" to bring in a nationalized police force. Is that what you mean by Gestapo? They've already taken over a number of big city police forces using consent decrees where the police force needs to reform itself to the specifications set by the "government".

What we should be defunding is the FBI and DOJ. THOSE are the corrupt organizations. The CIA is pretty bad too given the willingness of former employees to sign on to the "letter" testifying that the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation. Has anyone apologized for that yet?????

Amen

 

[Steve R.]

Does anybody here agree the ultimate goal of the left of defunding of the local police is, Gestapo.

It's a move to eliminate local law enforcement and replace it with a federal police force. Candice Owens had an excellent video clip, previously posted on the forum, where she speculated that the purpose of the defunding the local police was to cripple them from doing their job which creates chaos in the streets manipulating the populace to demand federal help. Candace Makes Case That ‘Defund The Police’ Really Means ‘Federalizing’ Them.

Additionally, consider the illegal immigration issue as another prong to promote increased federal power. Some Democrats have begun to complain that they can't take-care of the illegal immigrants arriving. Instead of demanding that Biden close the border that the illegal immigrants be deported, they are requesting federal aid to take care of the illegal immigrants.

Biden is implementing oppressive policies more in-line with Stalinist Russia, the old USSR. (Of course Orwell's novel 1984 comes to mind,) As such, instead of Gestapo a more appropriate secret police term would be KGB, but then Gestapo has immediate name recognition. I suppose Stasi, the East German secret police could also work.

PS: After posting, I ran across this post by AntiStatist on Bretibart. Seems that there are a few people comparing what Biden is doing here to the old Soviet Union.

I finally started reading the Gulag Archipelago. The first thing that hit me is how our DoJ/FBI is starting to resemble the Soviet secret police (Cheka/NKVD). It's more subtle, but it's there.

 

[Pat Hartman]

I think reading 1984 should be a requirement for voting. And you should have to take a test to make sure you understand what Winston Smith's job was. Big Brother is watching us. He's on every street corner and building. Your TV listens to what you say. So does your refrigerator and phone. There are monstrous buildings holding thousands of servers to record your conversations. The DOJ can get your bank transactions without a warrant (that's how they found many of the Jan 6 participants). You are under constant surveillance. The government just hasn't "activated" it all yet.

 

[ebs17]

When the Gestapo and Stasi are mentioned here, it shows a profound ignorance of their real work.

 

[Steve R.]

When the Gestapo and Stasi are mentioned here, it shows a profound ignorance of their real work.

Explain.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Yes, please. My friends who escaped the holocaust are all older than me but still a little young by the time they escaped to actually understand the situation. Mostly, they just remember the fear of the adults around them. One of them came from a wealthy German family. They had a mansion in Cologne and a farm a few miles outside the city that they used to spend summers at. Her father moved the family out of Cologne when the allied bombing campaign started and she watched with horror from a few miles away as Cologne was incinerated. Turns out their home in the city survived with minimal damage. So, when the war ended and the lines were drawn, she grew up under the thumb of the Stasi in East Germany. They never went back to the city house. It was confiscated as a hospital since it was one of the few structures in the area. She didn't get to leave Germany until the Berlin wall came down so she was an adult and knew what was going on.

 

[ebs17]

Explain.

Being pursued by an all-powerful political police force in a political dictatorship is most certainly something most who grow up and live in the soft nest of a democracy cannot even begin to imagine.

A perceived equation with real political victims is a mockery of such victims, which one should better refrain from.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

@ebs17 - I don't wish to downplay your statement at all. However, there is such a thing as seeing a disturbing trend heading towards a relentless and brutal governmental law enforcement group.

 

[Pat Hartman]

@ebs17 The US and other countries have gone so far down this path that it may not be possible to pull back. We have a total surveillance state and the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation - investigates "federal" crimes) and the DOJ (Department of Justice - oversees FBI and other security agencies) have been manipulating our elections as well as violating our Constitutional rights by suppressing free speech and invading our privacy by forcing banks to produce financial transactions without a warrant. They tried to interfere in 2016 by creating the "Russia collusion" hoax out of whole cloth but failed to defeat DJT. In 2020, they pushed harder and managed to cheat enough to get Biden elected. The truth is still coming out regarding this. There are many ways to cheat and ALL of them were employed from suppressing important news stories such as the Hunter Biden laptop story that exposed Joe Biden lifelong corruption and the whole favor swapping business run by his family to stuffing the ballot box. There is a film about the stuffing the ballot box scheme. It's called 2000 mules and it uses phone records with geo location and video to show how a small group of people were travelling between some central location to various ballot drops around several "swing" cities and each time depositing multiple ballots. It even shows them taking off their surgical gloves which were protecting the ballots from their fingerprints.

If is only if we study history that we can see how evil people like Hitler gained power and have some shot at stopping it. I hope you can see that we have an empty suit as a President and the VP is a complete joke. Who is pulling the strings?

You are 100% right about Americans being soft. We've had several generations of the left controlling our educational institutions and therefore teaching children that socialism is good and free markets are bad and other nonsense like you can change your sex. Our children do not see the danger or understand what is at stake.

 

[Isaac]

When the Gestapo and Stasi are mentioned here, it shows a profound ignorance of their real work.

1. I'm sorry, but I cannot help but get the distinct impression, after reading many of your posts, that you actually try not to see the point someone is making, preferring instead to pick on small flaws in an analogy, for instance.

2. I actually am impressed by people who try to learn from history. Analogies are never meant to be two identical things; if they were, they'd be one thing, not an analogy between 2 things.

Nothing quite like making an analogy, then someone pointing out how the 2 things differ. But of course.

The general trend toward big government tracking too much information on citizens, the FBI showing up at your home for no recorded reason on the day you are about to testify against Democrats in Congress, the stalking and harassment of people working for faith-based activist groups.

Like it or not, for a lot of people that sounds like strong-arming for illicit purposes. The Gestapo did that. Among many other things, of which you seem to have particular knowledge and interest.