I Spy

[Fifty2One]

I'll put in a good word for you when the day comes.

Just think, you'll get to help pick the President of the United States. And we'll be countrymen! But sorry about your healthcare.

Thanks, I noticed you used when the day comes and not if the day comes... lol I guess after the 1812 invasion failure and the 1930s take-over attempt that third time is the charm
Dont really want to lose our healthcare

 

[georgedwilkinson]

Thanks, I noticed you used when the day comes and not if the day comes... lol I guess after the 1812 invasion failure and the 1930s take-over attempt that third time is the charm
Dont really want to lose our healthcare

Oh, I thought you had inside information it was going to happen. My bad.

You definitely don't want to get bogged down in the morass that is the US Health Care System (or lack of it).

 

[Rich]

Any half decent carpenter fully qualified, is on £40K plus, ...

where?

 

[rsmonkey]

Is that where are the half decent carpenters or where are they on 40k? My dad owns a building firm, who do specialist building work (renovations etc...) and those carpenters are on some serious money. By a half decent carpenter I mean one who can go beyond door frame, joyces & build to specification etc..

As for the figures from the daily mail I wouldnt beleive anything that paper tells you. Even if they printed the World is round & Bush is an awful president i still question it coming from the mail. Having a look at those figures they are way to general.

£50 - 75K for an airline pilot? please maybe working for easyjet, but having worked for BA I can tell you those boys( fully trained pilots) make easily in excess of £100K and they work on average about 15hours a week. The rest of the time they spend (most of them do) running their own business's etc earning a second income. As ive said typical daily mail smearing the figures.

 

[oumahexi]

and those carpenters are on some serious money. By a half decent carpenter I mean one who can go beyond door frame, joyces & build to specification etc..

Ah, wouldn't that be a joiner then?

 

[Rich]

Is that where are the half decent carpenters or where are they on 40k? My dad owns a building firm, who do specialist building work (renovations etc...) and those carpenters are on some serious money. By a half decent carpenter I mean one who can go beyond door frame, joyces & build to specification etc..

But that's highly specialist work tied to specialised contracts, they aren't commonplace, certainly not in the regions, anyway I think that work's going down the pan at the minute

 

[Pauldohert]

I just read an article by Dan and Peter Snow who say that 20% of people live on below the average wage of £24k.

Doesn't sound likely - is that supposed to say 20% of people earn less than average. I would suspect its an awful lot more than that?

ie

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=429134&in_page_id=2

"Nearly 6m were in the lowest pay bracket of less than £10,000, including cleaners and hairdressers. The average British salary is £24,907, but two-thirds of the population still earn under the national average, while fewer than 5,000 earn more than £1m. "

If thats not what the 20% figure is talking about - what does it refer to exactly.

 

[Wayne Cramer]

Dan and Peter Snow are obviously agents of the MI5 office of disinformation.

 

[oumahexi]

Doesn't sound likely - is that supposed to say 20% of people earn less than average. I would suspect its an awful lot more than that?

Probably, but I think you'll find that only 20% on low incomes don't qualify for benefits such as Family Tax Credits etc that bring the majority up to what is deemed to be the average wage, while those with no dependents are the ones compelled to struggle on, or opt for the dole queue... I'm not sure if the article took this into consideration, but the one I quoted seems to be the same as the one you quoted, just a different outlet.

 

[Pauldohert]

I have reread it -

"Peter Snow said: 'It's the extremes that I think are the most surprising. Twenty% of workers in the UK earn less than £10,000 a year."

So 20% earn less then 10,000 and 60% less than average.

 

[oumahexi]

I have reread it -

"Peter Snow said: 'It's the extremes that I think are the most surprising. Twenty% of workers in the UK earn less than £10,000 a year."

So 20% earn less then 10,000 and 60% less than average.

Presumably that's only the "declared" incomes!

 

[Rich]

Presumably that's only the "declared" incomes!

But it's against the law not to declare all your income, only Americans do that, surely

 

[oumahexi]

But it's against the law not to declare all your income, only Americans do that, surely

Good point, but as they decended from the Scots, Irish, English, (very few Welsh), Polish and Africans, we have to presume they got these habits from their forefathers????

 

[Rich]

Good point, but as they decended from the Scots, Irish, English, (very few Welsh), Polish and Africans, we have to presume they got these habits from their forefathers????

The Scots maybe well maybe the Cornish with their smuggling backround too

 

[oumahexi]

The Scots maybe well maybe the Cornish with their smuggling backround too

That's right, I forgot, the English went south, didn't they? Sent off to Australia, why was that again??? LOL.

 

[Rabbie]

The Scots maybe well maybe the Cornish with their smuggling backround too

Shame on you. All of descended from celts/picts learn at an early age that it is the English descended from foreign invaders that are the most dishonest.

 

[Rich]

Shame on you. All of descended from celts/picts learn at an early age that it is the English descended from foreign invaders that are the most dishonest.

I think mine came overland from central Asia

 

[Pauldohert]

I can't group pole dancers with strippers, because it is an amazing art form, these women show tremendous athletic skills. Would we object so much to ballet dancers getting paid so well if they did so semi clad?

I agree - sliding slowly down a pole head first, whilst simutaneously opening your legs in the direction of the drunk old fella with lots of cash, is art and athletisim of the finest order.

I suspect the ballet wouldn't require so much state funding if it were topless. Nice idea.

I bet The Nutcracker would be popular!

 

[Rich]

I suspect the ballet wouldn't require so much state funding if it were topless. Nice idea.

They'd have to change the boring music though!

 

[Pauldohert]

They'd have to get rid of all those anorexic dancers too.