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does anyone know if this is true? it sounds right to me...


 
Historically, this kind of thing has happened before.

During WW II, bank clerks had the thankless job of manually adding columns of numbers by hand and then passing their work to another clerk who would check their work. They had ROOMS full of these people. However, the war put an end to that. If you have access to the movie The Bridge on the River Kwai, you can find the scene where the commando team is being assembled. Lt. Joyce was one such clerk and described that exact job. So many people who came back from the war wanted other jobs that there was a problem in finding enough clerks. But this great new tool called the computer provided banks with a way to do the same job with fewer qualified people. By the early 1960s, it was widely acknowledged that if all computers ceased to exist, the world's banks would collapse instantly because the total population of the Earth (ALL countries combined) was smaller than the estimated number of people who would be required for that kind of data clerk.

During the early part of the USA space program, NASA had dozens of clerks using Frieden Comptometers (an advanced multi-function adding machine of the whirr-clunk-kachunk variety) to do computations to exacting numbers of digits. Having worked with one such machine myself (because my mother had several at the phone company before THEY computerized), I can tell you they were superb but heavy and slow bits of mechanical ingenuity. But so many "computers" (the job title for people doing the computing at that time) were needed to compute orbital formulas that NASA elected to convert to computers using the IBM 7000 series machines. This is described in the movie Hidden Figures, which tells the dramatized but also true story of three important black women who helped break the color barrier at NASA. Again, so few clerks were available that they had no choice but to automate.

Adam, in the last month or so, you more than once bemoaned the fact that automated program creation was becoming a "thing." But it is merely one more manifestation of the unfortunate fact that the demand for certain skills is rapidly outpacing the supply of those skills. I had not seen those particular articles, but to be honest they do not surprise me in the least. If you know the name Mike Rowe (the host of TV show Dirty Jobs), you would perhaps be aware that he has spoken before Congress on exactly this problem. He is actually quite eloquent when speaking extemporaneously.
 
Richard I just talked to somebody about this problem today and apparently he thinks or maybe he just knows that a lot of people aren't even going to school in this day and age but the reason remains unknown. Perhaps it's because people don't have money or perhaps it's because they can simply learn the skills from the internet free of charge who knows. In terms of tech skills and programming skills specifically I know for a fact and from experience that school is totally unnecessary in that regard. And to add to that point I've seen the school classes that they teach at the big University of Iowa here in my city and there was virtually no class on that list that had anything to do with what employers want. But I think we've already talked about this point haven't we? Then of course I had a conversation with a friend of mine about 2 weeks ago and he runs a restaurant in this town and he seems to think that the labor shortage is more or less a part of the fact that everybody in their damn dog wants to be a YouTube sensation instead of actually working and earning an honest living. And if I were to put my common sense to that I would say that's probably true considering that most of that stupid ass influence comes from places like California and New York where all that weirdness starts that I've spoken about many times over
 
I cannot particularly disagree with your comments regarding people wanting to be "YouTube sensations." It is similar to kids playing pick-up basketball in public playgrounds entertaining a serious (though badly deluded) belief that they will become the next "pro basketball star" or something similar. Unrealistic expectations abound due to the mantra that gets only half-told in the USA. The first half? "You can be anything you want to be..." The second half? "...if you are willing to work to get there." Nobody hears the 2nd half because the stars were already in their eyes when they heard the 1st half.

The whole thing comes back down to wishful thinking. Dreaming of stardom, dreaming of adventure, dreaming of salvation. I think you would even agree with me on this fine point. NONE of those things will occur just because you want them. I am not arguing about the existence of salvation for the moment. I am arguing that wishing for it won't make it so. IF it is real then be prepared to work for it. Can we agree on that principle as applied to MANY things, even including any religious goals you might have?

I know for a fact and from experience that school is totally unnecessary in that regard

In EVERY company I have ever worked for, people who didn't go through school didn't get the good jobs. They got the crap jobs because they showed total disregard for difficult projects or for finishing projects. Usually, they end up taking longer to advance because they don't have the technical and theoretical background needed to become a good program designer. The managers always considered that a person who wouldn't finish their schooling might not finish their assigned projects, either. They could only be trusted for low-end jobs, grunt work like page implementation from someone else's design.

That hiring and placement attitude was true in at least 10 different companies during my career. I actually worked in only three different places, but due to corporate buyouts and government contracting rules, I worked for several different companies without even changing my phone number.
 
In the 1960's, in London, near Trafalgar Square, I used to help operate an English Electric Leo Marconi KDF8 computer in a room you could house a Jumbo jet in. It had dozens of mag tape cabinets, each the size of a wardrobe and the output was on a teleprinter. It probably had less processing power than my Apple phone. After, around 10 or 11 at night, we would go to a club or two in Soho and mix with the likes of The Beatles and The Stones - ahhhh Good old days.
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I am not arguing about the existence of salvation for the moment. I am arguing that wishing for it won't make it so. IF it is real then be prepared to work for it. Can we agree on that principle as applied to MANY things, even including any religious goals you might have?
I spose richard. working for salvation is probably required by the words of God. but then again, there are some quotes that are relevant here:
the man who labors deserves his wages

-Paul
all those who labor and are weary, come to me and I will give you rest

-Jesus
all who believe in me will not perish but attain everlasting life

-Jesus
faith without works is dead

-Peter
my Apple phone.
speaking of the apple phone, there have been no new tech products that have come out since Steve died. that is one of the reasons I don't care to do tech work anymore. why bother if there is no new creation? why would I care to keep up with the "hype" of "products" and "processes" that are simply "popular" with the corporate world when they mean absolutely nothing or are just the "newest thing"? that also means nothing.
 
The quote from Paul is relevant, but your other three seem less relevant to the topic of discussion than you might have hoped.

why would I care to keep up with the "hype" of "products" and "processes" that are simply "popular" with the corporate world when they mean absolutely nothing or are just the "newest thing"? that also means nothing.

Or perhaps it is YOUR words that mean nothing, since they are not self-consistent AND they are at best a fringe interpretation (and cherry-picking) when considering the Bible. In another quote you claimed to be Catholic. In south Louisiana we have a LOT of Catholics. I married one. I have tons of Cajun cousins who are Catholic. They don't have the same attitude that you do.
 
I married one.
and you didn't learn anything from the woman!?

They don't have the same attitude that you do.
I'm sure you realize that more or less, this is a bit of "hope" for me, dealing with you and all the non-believers here. Since I've been part of this place for so long now. and no, I'm not catholic yet. I'm still being confirmed. but like I've said so many times over, if you'd meet me in real life things would be drastically different.
 
A very relevant video to this discussion.
 
if you'd meet me in real life things would be drastically different.

After several of your admissions that you have different live vs. net personae, I don't care to meet such a hypocritical (and hyper-critical) person as you have shown yourself to be.

and you didn't learn anything from the woman!?

Actually, I did. She taught me that I was worthy of her love and she presented me with an already-made, loving and caring family. A family that is religious but isn't obsessed with religion; a group that is fiercely loyal to family. She knows of my viewpoint but loves me anyway because I actually am a relatively kind-hearted person whose grandsons love me. She proved my previously stated contention that relationships are like mirrors. They reflect the way you act towards each other.

I am reminded of a great line in a great little animated feature. (With young grandkids growing up in the house, you KNOW there will be animated feature films in-house.) In the movie Wreck-It Ralph, the titular character Ralph hated being what everyone sees as a villain. In his adventures, he befriends a young person in dire straits and saves her from a terrible fate at some risk to his own life. At the end of the film, he has reconciled to the fate that gives him a villainous role, but cherishes his new friendship. His final line is "I don't need a medal to tell me I'm a good guy. Because if that kid likes me, how bad can I be?"

Well, if my grandsons (when they were little) climbed all over me and played little-kid games with me, and if they now willingly visit and play more mature card or board games, how bad can I be?
 

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