My Country, Your country

[Galaxiom]

The Iraq thing has no relvence here really whatsoever, nor Libya nor Syria - they are all foreign though.

Do tell. Have you ever stood up for anything? Or are you completely ambivalent excepting your propensity for racist remarks about others on internet forums?

 

[Galaxiom]

I think its largely relevant to this discussion how much I gave. Or really how much you gave.

That is my point. I have little control over what my government gives. Yet some would criticise me for my government's decisions or the attitudes of those who also happen to call themselves Australians and post their racist views.

I ask that you do not judge all Australians by the attitudes of some which apparently have left an impression on you.

And that you refrain from suggesting that I could be "even more perverse" when you actually know very little about me.

 

[John Big Booty]

When I was very young I called my Grandmother a Pome.

She quickly informed me that she was English and that it was I who was the POME. Being so young I did not understand but she explained the she was here of her own free choice and that it is the convicts who were the Prisoners OF Mother England. POME.

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Incorrect again

 

[RainLover]

Incorrect again

So John

You were privy to the conversations I had with my grandmother?

I very much doubt if you were even born then.

For my next post I was thinking of pointing out that the Sky is Blue. Just thought I might give you a head start so that you can find a site that says I am wrong.

John, are you sure you are not a Pom.

 

[John Big Booty]

Dude I have no doubt that the conversation you had with your Gran happened as you present it.

What I do take exception to is your continued presentation of Urban Myth as truth. I have presented links that refute those myths, in the (vain) hope that you might question what you believe before you present it here as fact.

 

[John Big Booty]

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John, are you sure you are not a Pom.

Playing the man rather than the ball

 

[Dick7Access]

I have been to GB and want to go to Aussie country, but I don't want to go as a prisoner, does that make me a POM!!!

 

[John Big Booty]

The derisive expression for Americans here is Seppo. Which is short of Septic Tank and rhymes with Yank (as in Yankee), so no you would not be a POM

 

[Dick7Access]

The derisive expression for Americans here is Seppo. Which is short of Septic Tank and rhymes with Yank (as in Yankee), so no you would not be a POM

Nuts and guess I woudn't be a monkey boys either. I guess I'll just have to stay here and put up with monkey faces for five more months. If I go to Aussie country can I sit on your couch and use your WiFi?

 

[John Big Booty]

Sure; and I won't use the "S" word within your earshot

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

That is my point. I have little control over what my government gives. Yet some would criticise me for my government's decisions or the attitudes of those who also happen to call themselves Australians and post their racist views.

I ask that you do not judge all Australians by the attitudes of some which apparently have left an impression on you.

And that you refrain from suggesting that I could be "even more perverse" when you actually know very little about me.

No one critised you personally for what Australia does internationally - just the facts where posted of what Australia actually does internationally to debunk the myth that Australia does such a stand out effort therefore it cant be an intolerant place. Even if the logic followed - its based on a falsehood.

These people dont just call themselves Australians they are Australians just as much as you are - and they do exist - as I said they did. I never said all Australians I explicity said otherwise on multiple occasions. Its a lack of honesty you display in the argument on that one frankly. Its similarly a lack of honesty to suggest I said you personally could be even more perverse - I was clealy speaking as a nation. Maybe a clumbsy. But you know what was meant - and choose to misrepresent the words. You twist some words to suit yourself and choose to ignore other whcih dont suit you. That you have to resort to such tactics is a litlle unfortunate.

I clearly know many Australians are the exact opposite of xenophobes and rascists. MY wife certainly isnt - or many of her friends- you know - the ones I meantioned in the first post. Quite clearly John Big Booty isnt either. To suggest otherwise is simply another dishonest line to add to your collection.

IN a few words - I see that John isnt happy with Xenphobic myths. YOu are right I know nothing personally about you.

I sense you are a typical Aussie? Am I correct - do you see yourself that way.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

So John

You were privy to the conversations I had with my grandmother?

I very much doubt if you were even born then.

For my next post I was thinking of pointing out that the Sky is Blue. Just thought I might give you a head start so that you can find a site that says I am wrong.

John, are you sure you are not a Pom.

I sense too that John has a more youthful and modern view of life than you and is maybe younger.

The skys not blue here mate.
I sense John may have realised your not interested in facts. Not just unaware of them - you actively choose to ignore them.

The fact you think Johns not an Aussie and may actually be a pom - - I think you may be agreeing on my assessment of many an Aussie.


Cheers.

 

[Galaxiom]

I sense you are a typical Aussie? Am I correct - do you see yourself that way.

Australia is a huge place. I have not been to many places and even in those places there are millions of people I have never met.

Consequently I don't really know if I am typical.

I am a baby boomer so that does put me in one of the larger demographic groups.

However the area where I live is known as the alternative lifestyle capital of Australia so the culture of me and my friends is certainly not typical.

For example, on the last census it was revealed that the majority of people in this are atheists while only about a quarter of the average population of the country reported that. Many more are Buddhists with a significant number of Jedi's, Wiccans, members of the Church of the Holy Smoke and no doubt even some Pastafarians.

 

[RainLover]

Galaxiom

Sounds like you are in Nimbin.

 

[Adam Caramon]

What I do take exception to is your continued presentation of Urban Myth as truth. I have presented links that refute those myths, in the (vain) hope that you might question what you believe before you present it here as fact.

This is not directed in anyway at who you were directing this quote to (I'm not informed enough to have any kind of input into that foray), but when you figure out the above, let me know. I can think of a few people who need to question what they believe before they present it as fact.

 

[Dick7Access]

All I get about this Queen thing is from bits and pieces of news and I don’t trust them. How do you Access Forum Brits feel about it?

 

[Galaxiom]

Galaxiom

Sounds like you are in Nimbin.

Not actually in Nimbin. Just at a safe distance from it.

 

[RainLover]

I sense too that John has a more youthful and modern view of life than you and is maybe younger.

John is certainly a lot younger than me. If that is his photo then I would think mid to late 20s. I am close enough to 60. I would think that I have experienced a lot more than he has in this country and have a greater knowledge of its history. I can remember when the Vietnamese were the boat people. The difference between the two is that the Vietnamese where fleeing from a country where they would be killed if they did not leave. Whereas the people from Indonesia are leaving a country where they are safe. I know of no persecution by the Indonesians on this group. If someone has credible evidence of this then I for one would like to see it.

In spite of what you may of heard, Australia does have international agreements to take in a certain number of Refugees. We also have an emigration policy to accept a certain number of foreigneers. There is strict criteria on this which makes it difficult for the applicants. My neighbour, an Aussie, married a Vietnamese lady but she is trying to obtain permanent residency. This has been going on for years. I would only be guessing as to exactly but I feel that it must be at least 3 years. Refugees are treated under different rules as they need to be.

I sense John may have realised your not interested in facts. Not just unaware of them - you actively choose to ignore them.

How can one say I am not interested. It is on the TV News, the Radio and all major press. What I am not interested in is John's links. I looked at a few and not one of them is from a recognised source. John posts links only to support his opinion.

My first post on this subject #78 I said in answer to Dick7Access "They get more government help than the average Australian. " and this is true. They do get special treatment in the detention centres. I am not saying that I would like to be in one but it is certainly a better place than what some Australians live with.

Somewhere in this discussion an email was brought up. If it is the one that says that Muslims get $60,000 per year then that is simply garbage. Unfortunatly some people believe this type of thing when common sence should tell them otherwise.

In post 83 John asked for statistics because he did no believe that Muslims get extra government help. I was not sure what exaclty he wanted so I asked him in #89 for clarification. John chose to ignore this. It becomes clearer that John only makes a quick hit and run type of comment. He rarely uses his own writings but chooses to quote others of questionable character.

Post #85 is where I made a big statement calling the boat people rich. They ase not rich compared some but to the other muslims they are. Hence they can afford to pay the People smuggles amounts reported to be up to $10,000. Again these are the people I am dirty on.

Post 93. John is now reverting to swearing and is attempting to bring this debate into an al qaeda conspiracy (or something. Not sure where he wanted to go with that)

Post #95 John refuses to declare where he is from. His Nationality. One can only guess as to his background.

Post #99 ChrisO draws a similarity betwwen Australia and the USA with their boarder problems.

Post #101. Again John posts a link but does not explain the importance to his argument has to do with this link.

In my opinion Wikipedia is not a verified source of information. But that as I said is only an opinion.

Post 107 is where you really get into it. You make a statement that among hundreds of comments 90% what all the Christmas Island Boat incident to die << I remember the Christmas Island boat sinking - and reading the comments page of an Aussie paper online - hundreds of comments - 90% + were - good, serves em right, whoohoo a celebration of the death of men, women and children >> I do not for one moment believe this. Where is your information from. You then go on to talk about the constant Racism in Australia. I don't know how you can write this sort of garbage.

To carry on with my summary of the posts will only bore you more than it may have already.

I will, in closing, ask another question, while not expecting a proper answer.

In your opinion where have I shown myself to be a racist.

 

[Dick7Access]

How did we get to the point in the world that everything has to be racist? Do I not have the right (as you do) to dislike what a person stands for, or dislike their actions without disliking their national origin, their present abode, or their skin color. I dislike seeing a person male or female with rings all over their face, but I have given 22 years of my life (military) so that in the USA they can wear rings if they want to. If they have the right to wear rings, do I then not have the right not to associate with them? I don’t hate them, I would not do anything to harm them, but I should not be forced to associate with them without being called a racist. Now rings are not my rabbit trail, there are many other things that I don’t agree with but can list them all here.

 

[rodmc]

When I was very young I called my Grandmother a Pome.

She quickly informed me that she was English and that it was I who was the POME. Being so young I did not understand but she explained the she was here of her own free choice and that it is the convicts who were the Prisoners OF Mother England. POME.

So we often get called convicts by the POMs Inspite of my Grandmothers explanations Australia and NZ still call the English POMS.

But don't include the Scottish in that. Most of them hate the POMS.

we dont hate them, we just know we're better than them