Oh, it can get worse than that. Around the office with the Navy, there was (for a while, at least) this aura that if you admitted you knew Access, you were doomed because it was like a criminal record that could never be expunged. When one of my co-workers named Eugene left for a job in another city, the boss asked around if anyone knew Access and I said I could at least spell it. Next thing you know, I was their in-house expert on OpenVMS and out-house expert on Access. ("outhouse" cause they immediately sniffed the air when I would mention Access.) So back in 2008 when I got the MS MVP award for Access, they had to kind of step back and take note because the Navy made a big deal of it, sort of like it was a good thing. But the ORACLE guys still sniffed the air when I came around.