One World Government (1 Viewer)

[Bladerunner]

WOW!!!!!!!!!! This forum is dead!...no activity at all. Well, I am going to help it along with a strongly controversial subject. Now before I tell you what it is, let me tell you a little about it.

It started in the US by two people with good intentions but even now will tell you it does not work? Yet, the US Government in its nanny state mentality has picked upon this and like ObamaCare is going to push it down our throats if they can. Now I realize this is a UK forum and from what I have said I am sure you will argue that it will not affect the European and other countries. Well, it has already been presented to the United Nations. Therefore sooner or later it will consume you as well. Keep in mind that, the main objective and I have heard it for the last 50 years is; A One World Government is the answer to all our problems. ONE WORLD Government will have to start with a large scale indoctrination of our kids much like Hitler did to Germany's kids in the thirties convincing them they were the master race in the world..!

Yes, it has been put forth by liberals in this country and unfortunately some conservatives with greed on their minds have fallen in lock step. Bill Gates and his wife have been pushing this and if he gets his way, there will be no more programmers, no more mathematicians , etc. except from those that can afford to send their kids to a school that does not conform to what Mr. Gates proposes. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise, His kids are already going there? Yes, I am talking about COMMON CORE. An attempt by the government to make one size fit all. AGAIN!. Imagine, teaching a 4 year old how to masturbate! It's there, its in one of the books for English, pictures and all?

Please before you go OFF, let be give you some urls about this subject. One of them is long, about 2 hours, but it covers just about everything. There are many FORs and many AGAINSTs videos out there about 'Common Core' but before you make a decision, ask yourself : Do I want my kids, grand-kids to be taught like this?
When a simple 9+6 =15 is marked as wrong then we have a major problem.

Of course it will take Government intervention and is no doubt indoctrination of our kids with a socialism (world wide, I might add) outcome in mind.

One other thing, in the US they say we are behind China, Korea(s), etc. in our children's skill sets as set forth by testing them against one another. Be advised that they provide only the brightest kids in their countries for testing, the rest being considered workers that have no need for schooling outside their trade (if they have one). We (USA) on the other hand test everyone and use that number for comparison. . No wonder we are behind or are we?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2QGiGqz-xs
9+6 Common Core

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Ubjg_o8vg
KIDS REACT TO 2+2=5 (COMMON CORE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=85114404&v=Si-kx5-MKSE&x-yt-ts=1422579428
Brilliant anti-Common Core Speech by Dr. Duke Pesta

GET 'ER DONE!

lol

Blade

 

[Brianwarnock]

WOW!!!!!!!!!! This forum is dead!...

AGAIN!. Imagine, teaching a 4 year old how to masturbate! It's there, its in one of the books for English, pictures and all

Blade

They have to teach modern kids!! It's obvious that they have too many toys.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

The urls do not give a clear picture as to the implementation and the titles of the two I have visited are misleading.

The method of doing basic arithmetic shown in the first is merely a formalisation of the method my daughter used with my grandson, except she used fingers and Lego blocks, now that he is the ripe old age of 4 he can do the simple stuff in his head, so having illustrated the theory at what age do the kids stop drawing columns and using dots?

The outrage that 4*3=11 is not marked totally wrong if the working methodology is correct is misplaced, we all can and do make simple errors. I presume that the kid draws three lots of four dots and then adds them up, plenty of room for a silly mistake. All through my school career , in the 50s , we were told to show our workings, if they were correct but the answer was wrong we would get some credit.

As I said what age are we talking about.?

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

When a simple 9+6 =15 is marked as wrong then we have a major problem.

BTW Icould not find this, the video labelled 9+6 did not show this, it showed a crazy women doing stupid things with numbers.

Brian

Yes I know what she was trying to do but her explanation was extremely poor.

 

[Brianwarnock]

As for Mr Gates he is only behaving like left wingers everywhere.


BRIAN

 

[Bladerunner]

BTW Icould not find this, the video labelled 9+6 did not show this, it showed a crazy women doing stupid things with numbers.

Brian

Yes I know what she was trying to do but her explanation was extremely poor.

Brian in other videos not put up, numbers like the 9+6=15 were marked wrong because they did not show how they got there. One person told the crowd the final number did not really matter but how you got there. OoooooooK!

What is it enough!........when the parent cannot help the kid do a simple math problem because the correct answer is going to be wrong.

Thanks for your input Brian.
Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

As for Mr Gates he is only behaving like left wingers everywhere.


BRIAN

Only he has the billions to help in a large way to make it happen.

Blade

 

[AccessBlaster]

Brian in other videos not put up, numbers like the 9+6=15 were marked wrong because they did not show how they got there. One person told the crowd the final number did not really matter but how you got there. OoooooooK!

What is it enough!........when the parent cannot help the kid do a simple math problem because the correct answer is going to be wrong.

Thanks for your input Brian.
Blade

Many people can look at simple algebra equations and instinctively know the answer. If you cannot explain why you know, it will be marked wrong.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Brian in other videos not put up, numbers like the 9+6=15 were marked wrong because they did not show how they got there. One person told the crowd the final number did not really matter but how you got there. OoooooooK!

What is it enough!........when the parent cannot help the kid do a simple math problem because the correct answer is going to be wrong.

Thanks for your input Brian.
Blade

The point of teaching math isn't to force the children to memorize tables. It's to teach them to be able to find the answer no matter what problem they're given.

The answer would have been marked wrong (although I'd have personally given at least a little partial credit) because the object wasn't to show what 9+6 was, but rather WHY it made 15.

It's really a basic version of solving 9x + 9 = 90 for x in a classroom. Just writing "x = 9" isn't enough - even though any of us here can solve THAT equation just by looking at it - you need to show the steps you took, so you can prove you've learned how to do it.

In the real world, yeah, you're normally just interested in the answer. In the classroom, however, they need to ensure you know how to GET the answer, and that involves showing your work.

 

[Bladerunner]

There is one where the teacher breaks up the class in separate groups. Yes, we did that but only to get the right answer. In this case the teacher failed one student for finding the correct answer by way of what his parents had shown him. The other two got the same answer but come by it the way of the boxes, periods or whatever was her method. The other two passed. The idea being that she ( and the common core directive) required them to arrive at the same answer in the same way regardless of whether that answer was correct or not.. In other words they need to all think the same. I wish I could think the same as Einstein but I don't. A different opinion arriving at the same conclusion is good NO?????

AccessBlaster stated "Many people can look at simple algebra equations and instinctively know the answer. If you cannot explain why you know, it will be marked wrong. "

I ask, what if they got the answer right and could explain how they got it. Let's say the stacked method vs the box method for instance. Should they be counted wrong and/or failed.

By now you have guessed that it is really not about the math, english, etc. but the indoctrination of the Young People of the world. Abraham Lincoln once said that " The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next.".

Does this not matter to anyone out there.?????

Does it matter that this type eduction standards will never go through the states or other branches of government in any country before it is taught to our kids? Does it matter that many of the 46 states that originally got sucked up into this Common Core project want out now especially since the testing phase shows it is indeed indoctrination of our children? Yes, it brings them all together (one mind)!

Does anyone out there care?

The Common Core - Geometry failed so badly they took it out. Now English is another subject that has that little boy (4 year old) being taught by the teachers. Now as a parent you really want them to teach him that? That should be left up to your discretion as a parent keeping in mind that somethings like teaching a little one to smoke pot is still not allowed regardless of who does the teaching.

Is this all good?

Is a One World Government Good?

Blade

 

[Frothingslosh]

Please show where Common Core is indoctrination of the children. All of the complaints I have seen in that regard to date have been about things that are not actually parts of Common Core (save for the parts that are scientific facts and theories that certain fanatics reject because an oral history created by bronze age tribesmen doesn't include them).

Now if you wanted to argue that hauling your children into a building each weekend and telling them that your book of bronze age fables is the literal truth of all existance because your invisible sky man says so and they'd better agree or they will burn forever is indoctrination, then I could agree with you.

 

[ColinEssex]

AccessBlaster.

I told you AB would be back after he went off in a huff for no reason.

Col

 

[Bladerunner]

Please show where Common Core is indoctrination of the children. All of the complaints I have seen in that regard to date have been about things that are not actually parts of Common Core (save for the parts that are scientific facts and theories that certain fanatics reject because an oral history created by bronze age tribesmen doesn't include them).

Now if you wanted to argue that hauling your children into a building each weekend and telling them that your book of bronze age fables is the literal truth of all existance because your invisible sky man says so and they'd better agree or they will burn forever is indoctrination, then I could agree with you.

OK, Frothingslosh,,,how are you doing?? Excuse me, you appear to be having a real bad day. lol....

The indoctrination was what we were talking about. In my opinion again, there is? Simple as that.

This is a subject that you and everyone needs to look at closely and make a decision on how it affects you and your loved ones. What will come about will come about without your vote or my vote of confidence or not. We do not need to fight over this. I know your politics and you know mine. This is far beyond politics.One might say this is 'Worldly '. LOl

Common Core dictates that you get to a math answer a particular way. A very inefficient way from what it looks like.. Everybody takes the same test regardless of where they are at (intelligence wise). Any real smart people in the classroom, well it seems they are pulled back to the level of others. Apparently there are no exceptions unless you are an elite and then if you are, you already are going to be somewhere else.. The one video that is the longest, Dr. Pesta, pretty well lays it out for all to see, at least it does in my opinion.. He is from Wisconsin ( a state that does have common core) and he has been a teacher for 20+ years and seems to know what is going on. It is worth a look but if you have already decided to consider it a worthless subject to look into then so be it. You will not have an argument from me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-c...-ts=1422579428
Brilliant anti-Common Core Speech by Dr. Duke Pesta


Have a good evening. Our counterparts in Europe are in the bed by now I am sure.

Blade

 

[scott-atkinson]

I personally do not mind if all children are taught the same way, and shown a way to aid in Mathematics, what I feel however they should do is educate the parents in the same way so they can assist their children when they are not in the school environment.

Both of my sons are in High School, (secondary school for old etonions ) and I cannot help my sons with their Maths homework because even though I know what the end answer is, well most of the time, I do not know the correct way to present the workings out.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Overall, standardized is good, because it allows you to set certain, you know, standards for what people should know, for what is considered the baseline level of knowledge expected in society.

I don't know enough about CC (yet) to know how they handle people who learn far faster or slower than the norm, however. There does need to be ways to assist children who literally can't keep up (be it due to environment or disability), as well as to handle or challenge those who move far faster then the norm.

And yes, I was one of the latter, and I've always wondered what might have been different had I been allowed to move at my own pace. I was reading by 2, reading at a college level by 10, and every year had read each of my school books and learned everything in them inside the first month or so. Unfortunately, both my parents and my school district opposed accelerated progress, and we were too poor for private school (even with a half scholarship, the local 'gifted' school required $10,000/year in tuition for a 5th grader in 1981). I wound up an amazing underachiever because I couldn't be bothered to exert myself, because I knew even if I never did a single item of homework (which usually ended up the case), my teachers were going to give me As anyway. Needless to say, college was like running into a freaking brick wall at full speed! As I said, I wonder how things would have been changed had I just been allowed to run at my own pace rather than getting jerked up short every year.

One the flipside, it seems that the kids who struggle, for whatever reason, just get shuffled aside. One of my friends is a teacher who taught in Flint Schools for a while, and was always under immense pressure to pass every child regardless of performance, effort, or knowledge of the subject matter, simply because the school had neither the ability nor the inclination to help those children. That results in all the functionally illiterate people you hear about, who so often can't get anything BUT bare-survival level jobs and wind up marginalized or even demonized in society. (Remember the recent arguments over minimum wage and people not deserving to make a living? That's overhwelmingly this crowd.)

But anyway, back on topic, most of the complains I've seen about CC have been either 'WAAAH They're teaching something I disagree with' where that something turns out to be not actually part of Common Core, or 'WAAAH They're teaching a different method than I learned', to which I generally just feel you should suck it up and learn it, because 'New' is NOT automatically 'Terrible'.

Edit: I cannot watch videos at work. Even on the days they don't have anything for me to do (*grumble*), YouTube is off-limits. I'll try to remember to check it out after work.

 

[Bladerunner]

Good day to you Frothingslosh. I think you are asking the right questions as would anyone and yes I agree standards are a good think. But according to Dr. Pesta, Common Core has no standards. In fact, from what he states, Common Core was written by one or two people and the main one is now writing the tests for common core. This is not political as you might suspect although 46 states jumped on the band wagon because the federal government offered money to them much like they did with the BIG LIE "No child Left Behind" under George Bush. That was a political circus and even though George Bush pushed it through, do you know who wrote it. Teddy Kennedy. Go-figure that one.

Again I urge you to spend the time to listen to this Dr. Pesta. You ask questions that I think he would answer. His is the only one beside short video of people doing something wrong as you stated. Take into account that 26 out of the 46 original states are now trying to get out of Common Core with some going so far as to ban all of it.

Hope this helps.


Blade

 

[Frothingslosh]

In turn, are you aware you can download and read the standards from the Common Core website? The fact that he's claiming that there are no standards when they're freely available to anyone who wants a copy doesn't bode well for his trustworthiness.

http://www.corestandards.org/

Regarding No Child Left Behind, you really should do your research. It was proposed by Bush II and co-authored by John Boehner (R), George Miller (D), Teddy Kennedy (D), and and Judd Gregg (R). Trying to push it off as the Democrats' fault is, to be frank, lying. It was a bipartisan effort including one member of each party from each house of the legislature.

 

[Bladerunner]

In turn, are you aware you can download and read the standards from the Common Core website? The fact that he's claiming that there are no standards when they're freely available to anyone who wants a copy doesn't bode well for his trustworthiness.

http://www.corestandards.org/

Regarding No Child Left Behind, you really should do your research. It was proposed by Bush II and co-authored by John Boehner (R), George Miller (D), Teddy Kennedy (D), and and Judd Gregg (R). Trying to push it off as the Democrats' fault is, to be frank, lying. It was a bipartisan effort including one member of each party from each house of the legislature.

You really do just try an push my buttons don't you. Yes, I have read about the standards that he said were not there. Have you looked any further into the matter than that he is untrustworthy ? Well alright then! Lets see, standards for everybody, one size fits all. SOCIALISM no! Is this really what you believe in or are you just trying to be a hard ass as depicted in your moniker.

Yes, I knew it was George W. Bush and Teddy Kennedy which happens to make it bipartisan. Which means it was a very bad policy from the get-go. Since these were the main players, I did not bother to put forth anyone else. Figured if you read about it , you yourself would find out the facts.

Blade

 

[Frothingslosh]

No, you tried to portray NCLB as a Democratic creation by indicating Teddy Kennedy as the sole author of the program.

Twisting facts and outright lying is YOUR approach to discussion, not mine. Which explains how you suddenly, only a handful of posts after my points about needing to take outliers into account, suddenly talk about me wanting to hold everyone to the same standard regardless of ability. Just like after my posts over in the gun control thread about NOT wanting to take folks' guns away, you started raging about how disgusting it was that I wanted to disarm everyone. Reading comprehension really does not appear to be your strength.

Now, I simply said that the one thing you mentioned that guy saying was demonstrably wrong, and that that wasn't a good sign. You twisted that to accuse me of not bothering to look into the issue when I stated plainly (in the misguided hopes that you would comprehend it) that I cannot watch your YouTube video while I'm at work.

Also, I don't get why you emphasized that it was George W Bush, as I specifically said Bush II, which anyone reading this would know as 'the second Bush president'. It's far from the first time I've referred to him as such.

Edit: I do find it interesting that you laughed off my references to the Bible as a book of fables and an oral tradition of bronze age tribesmen, but got pissed when I pointed out that your guy lied and said it didn't give me high hopes of his presentation. If anything, I figured the reverse would be true.

 

[Libre]

Admitting that I did not read the links - but is this about the common core curriculum or about a single World Government?
I realize that threads can migrate from one topic to the next - but I just want to know what we're talking about.
I haven't been in elementary school since before JFK was President - so I don't have much to add about common core - but I will say that every time someone complains about it and gives an example (such as using the concept of the number line to learn addition and subtraction) it seems like a very good and intuitive approach and far better than the "cookbook" method that we were taught.

If we're talking World Government, then I'm all for it, as long as:
It's a constitutional republic, with elected representatives;
We can keep all the basic freedoms we're used to in the US;
American English is the national language (too late for me to learn any other);
Eastern Standard Time is how we set our clocks (too late for me to change my circadian rhythms);
The US $ is the national currency (too late for me to figure out the value of a Euro or a Pound);
SI units would be okay but I really prefer Imperial units because I'm used to them;
And the Hot Dog is the national snack food (I guess Tacos or Falafel would be okay too).
So I'm all for it as long as I don't have to change anything.