Pay your bills (1 Viewer)

[jpl458]

Trump says he will encourage putin to invade Nato countries that "Don't Pay their Bills". This froma a man that has cheated and stiffed more peoople than you can count. He stiffs lawyers then asks for his followers to send him money for the fees he does not pay. Grift.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Waiting for CNN to drop the next Trump tidbit.

 

[jpl458]

Trump sometimes says the "quiet" things out loud. Strangely enough, it's how you can tell that he isn't lying to you.

America is a free country for some people. You are free to spread whatever negative opinion you have of Trump that you please and he won't even be allowed to defend himself. That's the "unfree" part. Aren't you the lucky one

If you can't do the time, or can't pay the fine, then don't do the crime. You keep imlying that he did nothing wrong, which is not the case. He was indicted because there was ample evidence that that he committed a crime, via a grand jury of regular people, none of whom are/were part of Biden's administration. There people in jail that had 1 calssified document.. Trump kept hundreds of documents after he was President, when he was citizen Trump, and didn't give them back when he was asked.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

And Joe Biden didn't do something similar and is getting away with it? And Hillary had tens of THOUSANDS of classified, Secret, or Top Secret documents on her private e-mail server and didn't get arrested for it?

If you recall, during his term in office, DJT made other members of NATO start to more regularly pay their NATO support fees. The USA cannot afford to be the world's only enforcer. So your initial gripe is no particular news and seems somehow ignorant to the fact that too many countries look to "Uncle Sugar" to bail them out. Sorry for the NATO countries that are being bled dry by THEIR version of illegal immigrants, but if you want a good defense, you should be prepared to pay for it.

 

[Jon]

If you go to the gym and only pay half the membership fees, should you still get to use the equipment? I think not. Same should apply to NATO. It's not fair on those who are paying their 2% minimum while countries like Germany get away with paying way less.

 

[jpl458]

No. His crime was being DJT. The purpose of the lawsuits is not "justice" since no injustice was done.

I'm going to wish you the same thing I wished for my daughter when she was a teenager - may you have children exactly like yourself. She got two - twins

May you be charged with "crimes" because of who you are rather than because you committed an actual crime. Don't ever put your house up for sale because the law is coming after you. Hard! You're a criminal if you set your asking price too high. If you appeal to the local tax office for a reassessment because you think your property assessment is too high, you're a criminal for saying your property is worth less than the tax assessor thinks. You're just a criminal period. It really doesn't matter what you do, you are breaking some law somewhere and the DOJ will come and get you sooner or later just because of who you are. See how it feels.

I do have 2 children that are exactly like me, and we get along famously. No matter where we are in the world we watch Red Wing hockey games together. At one point my oldest was in the orient, the youngest in Texas, I was in Michigan. But, we watched most games together on Discord. They are both educaated, successful and happy. We raised them to leave us. I didn't raise them to have any particular religous belief or political leaning, we wanted to raise them to have choices.

Trump brought this on himself. I am taking about Trump, not Hillary, not Biden, or the butcher that charges too much. Every time I bring up something about the former Prez, I get a ration of whataboutism.

 

[Isaac]

Trump says he will encourage putin to invade Nato countries that "Don't Pay their Bills". This froma a man that has cheated and stiffed more peoople than you can count. He stiffs lawyers then asks for his followers to send him money for the fees he does not pay. Grift.

Obvious hyperbole just meant to suggest that if you want to be a protected member of NATO, you should pay a fair share. Totally agree with him

 

[AccessBlaster]

Every time I bring up something about the former Prez, I get a ration of whataboutism.

“The definition of 'insanity' is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

 

[MarkK]

If you go to the gym and only pay half the membership fees, should you still get to use the equipment? I think not. Same should apply to NATO. It's not fair on those who are paying their 2% minimum while countries like Germany get away with paying way less.

Yes. Understanding national defence spending policies of NATO member states? Just like gym dues. This is what I love about Trump and his followers: They can take complex and nuanced political and economic issues, and frame them so simply, that even an idiot can understand.

 

[Jon]

Yes. Understanding national defence spending policies of NATO member states? Just like gym dues. This is what I love about Trump and his followers: They can take complex and nuanced political and economic issues, and frame them so simply, that even an idiot can understand.

Trump didn't originally ask them to spend a minimum of 2% of their GDP on defence, nor did he suggest that was the right framework. Those NATO member states agreed to it themselves. Why do you believe that when they agree to that deal, it is ok for some to break that deal? I don't understand your position. Would you like to explain why your 2% minimum does not equal 2% minimum? Is it some form of Bidenomics?

 

[jpl458]

Obvious hyperbole just meant to suggest that if you want to be a protected member of NATO, you should pay a fair share. Totally agree with him

To what entity do they pay their share? Look at Trumps previous statements re NATO, it's not hyperbole.

 

[Thales750]

One would think that if your intention was to actually prove that the 2020 election was fake.
You would take part of the 230 million dollars you accepted from your devoted followers, and used some of it to offer rewards for the arrest and conviction of people that were involved in the alleged voter fraud.

They never did that. Have you ever wondered why so many folks don't want to ask questions like this? And certainly don't want to hear the answer.

As far as the other thing, the NATO thing, NATO was organized for exactly this scenario, safety in numbers. If Russia is allowed to invade NATO countries the cost is incalculable. But most governments around the world don't see an invasion of Europe by Russia as being in anyone's best interest.

I think the path of following Mr. Trump is leading his own people off a cliff. In the Election in 2024, Independents will step up and vote for anyone other than Trump. Hard lessons are coming for Republicans that allowed this cult following to override rational thought.

 

[Thales750]

Once the evidence has been destroyed, there is no way to do a forensic audit. For example, does the number of envelops = the number of ballots? Just counting the ballots again isn't going to uncover the crime. The people who made sworn statements of fraud were ignored. No judge wanted to be the "one" to overturn a Presidential election so most of the cases were dismissed for reasons of standing so that no evidence was ever produced.

Wow Pat, is there no scenario that will cause you to doubt any aspect of the "Trump the Divine" propaganda machine?
For thousands of years rewards have produced results.

Trump and company didn't even try it.

Collecting those funds was a long con pure and simple. And it was directly aims at his followers.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Collecting those funds was a long con pure and simple. And it was directly aims at his followers.

Calling Joe Biden a good and competent president is a long con of its own special type.

Having said that, I'm not entirely happy with Trump either. I originally supported him and STILL don't think he's the devil. But this country needs a wake-up call that the Democratic Party is NOT your friend - it is your exploiter. To them, you are a cash cow and a tethered vote.

Part of me fears another Trump turn in office, part of me thinks that another Biden term in office is worse. Caught between Scylla and Charibdis, the original source of the phrase "a rock and a hard place."

 

[Jon]

Trump's efforts of getting NATO defaulters to pay their agreed share was to make the world a safer place.

And the Democrat party has ruined the election process with their dirty tactics of endless lawsuits. They have taken the country back decades.

 

[Isaac]

To what entity do they pay their share? Look at Trumps previous statements re NATO, it's not hyperbole.

Show me evidence , not just speculation, but hard evidence that proves he really wants Putin to start invading Nato states.

 

[Isaac]

The countries that obviously benefit the most from NATO - small European countries - should pay a heck of a lot higher % of their GDP.
If they value their hide.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Pretty sure NATO triggered Putin in the same way Nikita Khrushchev triggered JFK when they installed nukes in Cuba.

 

[Steve R.]

Pretty sure NATO triggered Putin in the same way Nikita Khrushchev triggered JFK when they installed nukes in Cuba.

NATO was supposed to be a defensive alliance against the now defunct Soviet Union. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, NATO has expanded into many of the former Soviet Republics, which has pissed off the Russians, especially Putin.

To make matters worse, Biden/Harris arrogantly taunted Putin by telling Putin that if the Ukraine wanted to join NATO Putin could pound-sand. Essentially that insult was a last straw for Putin, so he took the challenge and invaded. To my knowledge, Biden/Harris made absolutely no attempt to work on a diplomatic solution with Putin before he invaded. This from Biden, who claims to be such a world renowned expert in international diplomacy.

 

[Isaac]

The Dems like to hold these countries up as examples of social welfare. Of course, they got to transfer their defense budget to us so we pay for their defense while they give away "free" stuff and have budget surpluses while we mortgage our future with debt.

I didn't think our Constitution was a suicide pact.

More like American defense charity handout welfare